Fermi Problems and Estimation Techniques in Science

FERMI
PROBLEMS
Photo: U. of Chicago
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Won the 1938 Nobel Prize for his work
on radioactivity
Led the team that created the first
nuclear reactor
Proposed the existence of the neutrino
Did very important work in particle
physics, especially pions, muons and
cosmic rays
Associate Director of the Manhattan
Project
Enrico Fermi
Fermi Problems are
Estimation Problems
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Fermi was an excellent
theoretical and experimental
scientist…
 
…and so he was extremely good
at figuring out problems in his
head, using reasonable
assumptions to arrive at an
approximate answer.
We Don’t Need Exact Solutions
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The idea is to make
educated guesses
 at
each stage of the
problem, to reach an
approximate result
How many question marks should
we have in a stock photo?
1? 7? 50?
Within An Order of Magnitude?
Good Enough!
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5
 
Courtesy of XKCD: ‘Paint the Earth” https://what-if.xkcd.com/84/
Why Would You Use
Them in the
Classroom?
Several Reasons!
Allows students to take
on ‘impossible’ problems
and succeed
 
Practices/reinforces
estimation skills
 
Draws on students’ prior
knowledge
Can use the method to
‘pre-check’ the answer
for other question types
 
Can feel less
‘constrained’ than
problems where an
exact answer is required
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QUESTION 1:
 
The Ontario government decides that winter is too depressing and that
what is really needed is to turn all of Lake Ontario into one giant mug of
hot chocolate.
a) Find the number of packets of hot chocolate powder required to make
this much hot chocolate.
b) Find the number of large marshmallows required to float on top of the
hot chocolate.
DATA: 
Lake Ontario is 245 km by 85 km wide, and holds 1610 cubic
kilometres of water
One packet of hot chocolate makes 175mL
1 mL = 1 cubic centimetre
A large marshmallow is about 3cm in diameter
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What Type of Answer Are We Looking For?
Exact?
volume of Lake Ontario =
1610 km
3
 = 1.61 x 10
12
 m
3
 =
1.61 x 10
15
 L
1 hot chocolate= 175mL =
0.175 L
So 
1.61 x 10
15
 L / 0.175 L
= 9.2 x 10
15
 packages
Order of magnitude-ish?
175mL  is about 200cm
3
      = 2 x 10
2
 cm
3
1610 km
3
 is about  2000 x 10
12
 m
3
= 2 x 10
18
 cm
3
2 x 10
18
 cm
3
 / 2 x 10
2
 cm
3 
      = 2 x 10
16
 packages
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What Type of Answer Are We Looking For?
Exact-ish because… marshmallows?
Assuming the marshmallows don’t melt, and are stacked long-axis
down…
Area of a marshmallow = 
7
 x 10
-4
 m
2
 
area of Lake Ontario = 245km x 85km =20825 km
2
       = 20825 (1 x 10
6
 m
2 
)= 
2.1 x 10
10
 m
2 
So 2.1 x 10
10
 m
2
  / 
7
 x 10
-4
 m
2
 
= 3 x 10
13 
marshmallows
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But… was the question even a good Fermi Problem?
?
Were there lots of ways to
approach the problem?
 
?
Did it require prior
knowledge that a student
could be reasonably
expected to have?
 
?
Did it generate a lot of
discussion for the group?
 
A few….but not really
 
 
Yes – metric volume
 
conversions
 
 
 
Possibly? Hopefully?
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What 
are
 we looking for in a
good Fermi Problem?
My Own List:
 
Process is more important than the product
 
Talking through the answer with others is important
 
Students need to have enough prior knowledge to
make a reasonable assumption at each step
 
Communication of what assumptions/steps were
made is essential
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And Now…
EVALUATION
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Assuming We Are Assigning a Grade/Mark Here…
How Are We Doing It?
 
Here are some ideas:
1.
Binary marking: 1 mark for the
correct answer, 0 for a wrong
answer.
2.
Top marks for the fastest answer
regardless of accuracy
3.
Top marks for the student who
brought you coffee
 
 
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Suppose that the question is "What is the mass of Lake
Erie", and that the judges' best estimate is 10^15 kg
One idea: Assign a mark but give a range  
http://www.physics.uwo.ca/science_olympics/events/puzzles/fermi_questions.html
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You could also ask for a three-part answer:
give the minimum possible value, the best
estimate, and the maximum possible value in
your answer. Each answer receives a mark
based on how accurate it is.
One idea: Assign a mark but give a range (2)  
http://www.physics.uwo.ca/science_olympics/events/puzzles/fermi_questions.html
Some Ideas?
o
Rubric with categories for detailing
assumptions made, good estimating, etc
o
Base mark for a ‘good effort’ answer, even if
result isn’t very accurate (say 3/5 for example)
o
Marks for working with other group members
and contributing to discussion of final answer
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Some Hazards
o
How to mark individual effort in a group
setting
o
If the process is important, how to make the
mark scheme reflect that (instead of ‘all
product’ marking)
o
How much is having a good base of prior
knowledge worth? More than process?
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Some Further Hazards
o
What *is* the right answer? Might rely on
teacher’s abilities of estimation!
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Some Opportunities
o
Internet provides lots of ‘facts n’ figures’ if
needed for filling in gaps in prior knowledge
o
Could do them with any grade level, if difficulty
is adjusted: for example, Grade 9 Astronomy
deals with many ‘order of magnitude’ issues
OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald
22
Some Opportunities
o
Could do them with other *subject areas*,
especially math: Grade 9 curriculum has a
large section of exponents and powers of ten
which this fits nicely
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Understand Enrico Fermi's approach to problem-solving through estimation in science as demonstrated by Fermi Problems. These problems involve making educated guesses to reach approximate answers, fostering creativity, critical thinking, and estimation skills. Explore the application of Fermi Problems in the classroom setting to engage students in tackling complex questions and reinforcing their estimation abilities.

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  1. FERMI PROBLEMS Photo: U. of Chicago

  2. Enrico Fermi Won the 1938 Nobel Prize for his work on radioactivity Led the team that created the first nuclear reactor Proposed the existence of the neutrino Did very important work in particle physics, especially pions, muons and cosmic rays Associate Director of the Manhattan Project OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald 2

  3. Fermi Problems are Estimation Problems Fermi was an excellent theoretical and experimental scientist and so he was extremely good at figuring out problems in his head, using reasonable assumptions to arrive at an approximate answer. OAPT 2018- G. Macdonald 3

  4. We Dont Need Exact Solutions The idea is to make educated guesses at each stage of the problem, to reach an approximate result How many question marks should we have in a stock photo? 1? 7? 50? OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald 4

  5. Within An Order of Magnitude? Good Enough! Courtesy of XKCD: Paint the Earth https://what-if.xkcd.com/84/ OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald 5

  6. Why Would You Use Them in the Classroom?

  7. Several Reasons! Allows students to take on impossible problems and succeed Can use the method to pre-check the answer for other question types Practices/reinforces estimation skills Can feel less constrained than problems where an exact answer is required Draws on students prior knowledge OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald 7

  8. Lets Try It!

  9. QUESTION 1: The Ontario government decides that winter is too depressing and that what is really needed is to turn all of Lake Ontario into one giant mug of hot chocolate. a) Find the number of packets of hot chocolate powder required to make this much hot chocolate. b) Find the number of large marshmallows required to float on top of the hot chocolate. DATA: Lake Ontario is 245 km by 85 km wide, and holds 1610 cubic kilometres of water One packet of hot chocolate makes 175mL 1 mL = 1 cubic centimetre A large marshmallow is about 3cm in diameter 9 OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald

  10. What Type of Answer Are We Looking For? Order of magnitude-ish? Exact? 175mL is about 200cm3 = 2 x 102cm3 volume of Lake Ontario = 1610 km3= 1.61 x 1012m3= 1.61 x 1015L 1 hot chocolate= 175mL = 0.175 L 1610 km3is about 2000 x 1012m3 = 2 x 1018cm3 2 x 1018cm3/ 2 x 102cm3 = 2 x 1016packages So 1.61 x 1015L / 0.175 L = 9.2 x 1015packages OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald 10

  11. What Type of Answer Are We Looking For? Exact-ish because marshmallows? Assuming the marshmallows don t melt, and are stacked long-axis down Area of a marshmallow = 7 x 10-4m2 area of Lake Ontario = 245km x 85km =20825 km2 = 20825 (1 x 106m2 )= 2.1 x 1010m2 So 2.1 x 1010m2/ 7x 10-4m2= 3 x 1013 marshmallows OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald 11

  12. But was the question even a good Fermi Problem? ? Were there lots of ways to approach the problem? A few .but not really ? Did it require prior knowledge that a student could be reasonably expected to have? Yes metric volume conversions ? Did it generate a lot of discussion for the group? Possibly? Hopefully? OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald 12

  13. What are we looking for in a good Fermi Problem?

  14. My Own List: Process is more important than the product Talking through the answer with others is important Students need to have enough prior knowledge to make a reasonable assumption at each step Communication of what assumptions/steps were made is essential OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald 14

  15. And Now EVALUATION 15 OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald

  16. Assuming We Are Assigning a Grade/Mark Here How Are We Doing It? Here are some ideas: 1. Binary marking: 1 mark for the correct answer, 0 for a wrong answer. 2. Top marks for the fastest answer regardless of accuracy 3. Top marks for the student who brought you coffee ideas These are terrible OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald 16

  17. One idea: Assign a mark but give a range Suppose that the question is "What is the mass of Lake Erie", and that the judges' best estimate is 10^15 kg An Answer within a factor of i.e.: an answer in the range: Marks 5 2 X 10^14 - 5 X 10^15 5 10 4 X 10^13 - 2 X 10^16 3 100 8 X 10^12 - 1 X 10^17 1 http://www.physics.uwo.ca/science_olympics/events/puzzles/fermi_questions.html OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald 17

  18. One idea: Assign a mark but give a range (2) You could also ask for a three-part answer: give the minimum possible value, the best estimate, and the maximum possible value in your answer. Each answer receives a mark based on how accurate it is. http://www.physics.uwo.ca/science_olympics/events/puzzles/fermi_questions.html OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald 18

  19. Some Ideas? o Rubric with categories for detailing assumptions made, good estimating, etc o Base mark for a good effort answer, even if result isn t very accurate (say 3/5 for example) o Marks for working with other group members and contributing to discussion of final answer OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald 19

  20. Some Hazards o How to mark individual effort in a group setting o If the process is important, how to make the mark scheme reflect that (instead of all product marking) o How much is having a good base of prior knowledge worth? More than process? OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald 20

  21. Some Further Hazards o What *is* the right answer? Might rely on teacher s abilities of estimation! OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald 21

  22. Some Opportunities o Internet provides lots of facts n figures if needed for filling in gaps in prior knowledge o Could do them with any grade level, if difficulty is adjusted: for example, Grade 9 Astronomy deals with many order of magnitude issues OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald 22

  23. Some Opportunities o Could do them with other *subject areas*, especially math: Grade 9 curriculum has a large section of exponents and powers of ten which this fits nicely OAPT 2018 - G. Macdonald 23

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