
IEEE 802.24 Vertical Applications Overview in Vienna
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May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG July 2019 Vienna, Austria Submission Slide 1 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 802.24 Overview Officers TAG Chair: Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Task Groups 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG 802.24.2 IoT TG 27 Voting Members Agenda: 24-19-0013-00 Meetings for the Week Monday PM2 Tuesday PM2 Thursday PM2 Tim Godfrey Ben Rolfe Tim Godfrey Chris DiMinico 24.1 24.2 24.1 Manual attendance tracking for 802.1 & 802.3 members Submission Slide 2
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 802.24 Agenda - July 2019, Vienna, Austria 24-19-0013-00-0000 1 Monday PM2 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 1.8 Call session to order, present Guidelines for IEEE SA meetings , Quorum Review of Agenda / Approval of Agenda Approve minutes from prior TAG meeting Introduction/meeting objectives / Review action items from previous meeting 802.24.1 Smart Grid Task Group ITU and regulatory items Collaboration with 802.21: 'Network Enablers for Seamless HMD-based VR (Virtual Reality) Recess Godfrey Godfrey Godfrey Godfrey Godfrey Godfrey/Holcomb Godfrey / Das Godfrey 5 5 5 5 0 4:00 PM 4:05 PM 4:10 PM 4:15 PM 4:20 PM 4:20 PM 4:35 PM 5:35 PM 15 60 0 2 Tuesday PM2 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 Call to Order 802.24.2 TG 802.24.2 Liaison Coordinator's Report and Update Review of IoT white paper development, expanding scope and participation P2413 Liaison report / Update Progressing "Network Integration" concept into a project Recess Godfrey DiMinico DiMinico Winkel Godfrey/Riegel Godfrey 0 4:00 PM 4:00 PM 4:30 PM 5:10 PM 5:40 PM 5:40 PM 30 40 30 30 0 3 Thursday PM2 3.1 3.2 3.3 Call to Order 802.24 TAG Low Latency White Paper Whitepaper/document for application-specific use cases of Sub 1GHz standards 802.15.4g and 802.11ah Godfrey Holland 0 4:00 PM 4:00 PM 60 Godfrey/Rolfe Godfrey Godfrey 15 15 5:00 PM 5:15 PM 5:30 PM 3.4 3.5 802.24 New Action Items, New Activities, AOB Adjourn 0 Submission Slide 3 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 Guidelines for IEEE-SA Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed do formally object. --------------------------------------------------------------- If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at patcom@ieee.org or visit http://standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/patcom/index.html See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy for more details. This slide set is available at https://development.standards.ieee.org/myproject/Public/mytools/mob/preparslides.ppt Submission IEEE 802 Executive Committee
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 Participation in IEEE 802 Meetings Participation in any IEEE 802 meeting (Sponsor, Sponsor subgroup, Working Group, Working Group subgroup, etc.) is on an individual basis Participants in the IEEE standards development individual process shall act based on their qualifications and experience. (https://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws.pdf section 5.2.1) IEEE 802 Working Group membership is by individual; Working Group members shall participate in the consensus process in a manner consistent with their professional expert opinion as individuals, and not as organizational representatives . (subclause 4.2.1 Establishment , of the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures) Participants have an obligation to act and vote as an individual and not under the direction of any other individual or group. A Participant s obligation to act and vote as an individual applies in all cases, regardless of any external commitments, agreements, contracts, or orders. Participants shall not direct the actions or votes of any other member of an IEEE 802 Working Group or retaliate against any other member for their actions or votes within IEEE 802 Working Group meetings, see https://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws.pdf section 5.2.1.3 and the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures, subclause 3.4.1 Chair , list item x. By participating in IEEE 802 meetings, you accept these requirements. If you do not agree to these policies then you shall not participate. (Latest revision of IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures: http://www.ieee802.org/devdocs.shtml ) Submission Slide 5 IEEE 802 Executive Committee
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 Administration Attendance take on IMAT Reciprocal rights for most WGs Web page http://www.ieee802.org/24 Mailing list stds-802-24@listserv.ieee.org 802-24-voters@listserv.ieee.org (voters list) Document archive http://mentor.ieee.org/802.24/documents IEEE 802 announcement reflector, stds-802-all@listserv.ieee.org Send email to listserv@listserv.ieee.org with no subject and with the following 2 lines appearing first in the body of the message Subscribe stds-802-all end Submission Slide 6 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 802.24 TAG Approve May minutes TAG Action Items from May: Follow Up on Low Latency White Paper Submission Slide 7 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 Update from Licensed Narrowband Amendment meeting at UTC Fort Worth 24 people met to discuss possibility of Narrowband data standard for licensed spectrum Possibly an amendment of 802.16s Ondas Networks, GE, Motorola, CML and other vendors. Potential to bring 802.16 out of hibernation for amendment? Submission Slide 8 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 Liaison Review P2413 ATIS TOPS Wi-Fi Alliance (Informal) IEC SEG8 IEEE PSCC TF S6 IEEE P2030.5 Industrial Internet Consortium Wael Diab (status?) assign to Chris D Ludwig Winkel Farrokh Khatibi Alan Berkema Patrick Wetterwald (concluding) Marc Lacroix Bob Heile Submission Slide 9 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 Liaison with IEC SEG8 Scope of SEG8: Assess, provide an overview and prioritization of the evolution of technical development and standardization in the field of communication technologies and architectures The report includes aspects relevant to both Smart Grid and IoT. Documents shared in 802.24 Private Area IEC_SEG8_Deliverable 3_Market Trend_Meeting_Review_010419_v3_clean.pdf SEG8 is planning on finishing in next few months Submission Slide 10 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 Radio Regulatory Items Update from 802.18 Jay Holcomb From May 2019: Converting UNII4 band to cellular implications for smart grid or verticals? 802.18 will look at comments Submission Slide 11 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 Collaboration with 802.21 AR/VR Vertical Applications 'Network Enablers for Seamless HMD-based VR (Virtual Reality) Dillon Seo Presentation to 802.1 TSN May interim 802.11be will address AR/VR use cases Submission Slide 12 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 Goals for AR/VR collaboration in 802.24 AR/VR is an identified vertical application for Smart Grid (electric utilities) for field force, safety, and training 802.24 will liaise to other WGs if they develop amendments to their standards to support low latency. The low-latency white paper will provide input on requirements to WGs Vertical Application areas can provide input on specific use cases Include representatives from related activities in other WG s: 802.1 TSN, 802.11be, 802.15.3e 802.24 will provide a venue for collaboration (joint meetings) Build on 802.24 Low Latency White Paper Broadly define the set of applications (vertical and otherwise) around bounded / low latency Look at the VR architecture diagram and consider the appropriate standard for each link. They will be a mix of wireless and wired. In current white paper, latency limit is 5mS. Combination of wired/wireless. Some use case may incorporate a WAN. Existing testing shows challenges exceeding two hops (switches) in a network IEEE 802 could provide comparable services to what is promised by 5G. Submission Slide 13 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 Discussion What are the key requirements for QoE for AR/VR? Are latency and jitter separate? Motion to Photon latency 20mS Upper Bound Jitter doesn t really matter if latency bound is met Dillon: Need for this work in IEEE 802 is based on prohibitive cost of serving these applications over commercial cellular Consider an IEEE 802 scenario using existing standards: 802.1 TSN with 10G Ethernet, and 802.11ac, ad, or ax Identify gaps and contribute to 802.11be as a proposed requirement. Need to ensure that TSN end-to-end mechanisms can be adopted into 802.11 802.21 scenario with moving train between heterogeneous networks Submission Slide 14 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 Next Steps 802.21 to provide text contributions Goal is to have the real time white paper by 2020? Bring together various working groups to solve issues for VR and performance. Application space is driven by ever increasing resolution. Target HDMI 1.2 specification. Resolution and frame rate drive data rate. Can it be compressed? This can be seen as alternative to 5G approaches, but standards-based and lower cost to use. Show how Wi-Fi technology can provide an equally good or better result and performance (bandwidth and low jitter and low latency) Map identified uses cases on to various IEEE 802 standards. Submission Slide 15 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 Tuesday 802.24.2 TG Submission Slide 16 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 802.24.2 802.24.2 Liaison Coordinator's Report Submission Slide 17 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 802.24.2 White Paper Status and development of IoT White paper 802.24-17-0036r2 Ludwig is developing some related materials. Can we pull new developments from P2413 into this white paper? Submission Slide 18 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 Building engagement in TG2 IoT Discussion on plan and new activities for IoT task group and broader engagement What are the IoT activities in IEEE 802? 802.15.4 Wi-SUN is going after IoT in addition to Smart Grid 802.15.4w LPWA another IoT focus 802.11ah (Halow), 802.11ba (WUR) Can we find volunteers to contribute to IoT white paper? Submission Slide 19 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 Single Pair Ethernet white paper Review Start Single Pair Ethernet white paper through IEEE process 802.24-18-0011r0 Comment collection on reflector TIA and IEC standards related to SPE and IoT TIA TR42 report to 802.3, ISO IEC SC25 Power over Ethernet UL and NEC are getting involved Submission Slide 20 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 P2413 Liaison P2413-D0.4.6.pdf currently in Sponsor Ballot Available in 802.24 Private Area Submission Slide 21 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 Network Integration Proposed Title: IEEE 802 Architecture and Vertical Applications White Paper Review Draft Outline of White Paper based on discussion points from last two meetings IEEE802-24/19-0017r0 Volunteers requested provide text contributions Submission Slide 22 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 Thursday 802.24 TAG Submission Slide 23 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 Low latency White Paper Achieving low latency with IEEE 802 standards Including wired and wireless communications An alternative (or complement) to 5G URLLC A set of vertical applications enabled by low latency The challenges of reliable low latency in unlicensed spectrum. Adapting TSN s FRER feature Adapting 802 wireless to licensed spectrum? Operating over multiple bands or channels? Special cases for high data rates for immersive video Oliver Holland to lead white paper development Current Draft 802.24-19-0003r1 Submission Slide 24 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 Low latency White Paper AR/VR Take 802.21 white paper, dissect use cases and requirements. Goal for white paper Influence 802.11be or other groups working in low-latency areas Outreach to other standard groups Review progress since meeting: Dillon will take 802.21 white paper 21-18-0061-04-0000-a-white-paper-on-use-cases-and-requirements-for-supporting-hmd- based-vr-applications and use as source text for next revision of White Paper draft 24-19-0003-03-0000-low-latency- communication-white-paper Check with Alan Jones to see if there is an interest in creating a contribution based in RTA TIG output. Tim will take some use cases from TSN white paper for utility applications Consider a section to distinguish between latency and jitter implications. Low latency also has implications on reliability, predictability, etc Notes captured into draft: Current Draft 802.24-19-0003r2 Submission Slide 25 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 802.15.4g and 802.11ah Coexistence (802.19.3) 802.24 will develop a whitepaper/document for application-specific use cases. Identifying where each standard is most suitable, and how to make best use of other changes. Identify use cases where 802.15.4g is not sufficient and both are needed Could be choices of applications, channel guidelines, duty cycle, Avoid perception that 802 standards are unable to coexist Evaluate and describe potential application-level implications of delay/latency increases due to mutual interference 802.19.3 project schedule: A draft ready by April WG Ballot Sept 2019 SA Ballot November 2019 Plan to develop a white paper in 2nd half of year. Review status in July Submission Slide 26 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 2019 TAG Activity Plan Low latency White Paper Include 802.21 AR/VR activity Nendica FFIOT might also fit into this Network Integration white paper about unique benefits of IEEE 802 architecture A whitepaper/document for application-specific use cases of Sub 1GHz standards 802.15.4g and 802.11ah. Identifying where each standard is most suitable, and how to make best use of mechanisms proposed in 802.19.3 TG. Can this also include applying 802.15.4s in sub-1GHz spectrum? 2H 2019 for starting TBD 802.24 white paper on IoT and P2413 Update of first Smart Grid white paper to address latest amendments of 802.15.4 u, v, w, x, y, Revmd Submission Slide 27 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
May 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0014r0 802.24 TAG closing Action Items from this meeting Any New Business? Submission Slide 28 Tim Godfrey, EPRI