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  1. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG July 2018 Meeting San Diego, CA, USA Submission Slide 1 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  2. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 802.24 Overview Officers TAG Chair: Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Task Groups 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG 802.24.2 IoT TG 27 Voting Members Agenda: 24-18-0015-02-0000 Meetings for the Week Tuesday PM2 Wednesday PM2 Thursday PM2 Tim Godfrey Ben Rolfe Tim Godfrey Chris DiMinico 24.1 24.1 24.2 Manual attendance tracking for 802.1 & 802.3 members Submission Slide 2

  3. Agenda 802.24-18-0015r2 July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 802.24 Agenda - July 2018, San Diego, CA 24-18-0015-02-0000 1 Tuesday PM2 session 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 Call session to order, present Guidelines for IEEE SA meetings , Quorum Review of Agenda / Approval of Agenda Approve minutes from prior TAG meeting Introduction/meeting objectives / Review action items from previous meeting 802.24.1 Smart Grid Task Group ITU and regulatory items Godfrey Godfrey Godfrey Godfrey Godfrey Godfrey/Holcom b Godfrey Godfrey Godfrey 5 5 5 5 0 4:00 PM 4:05 PM 4:10 PM 4:15 PM 4:20 PM 15 10 20 20 5 4:20 PM 4:35 PM 4:45 PM 5:05 PM 5:25 PM 1.7 1.8 1.9 1.10 1.11 Liaison Review New project and activities review Development and Editing of TSN White Paper Recess to move to Seaport F for 802.1 TSN Meet with 802.1 TSN on White Paper for Time Sensitive Networks for Grid Modernization (Seaport F) Godfrey / Farkos 30 5:30 PM 2 Wednesday PM2 session 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 Call to Order 802.24.1 Task Group 802.11ah and 802.15.4g (SUN) coexistence (any follow up from 802.19) Discussion on 802.24 activities related to Nendica Review comments and feedback from IEEE editors on Sub 1-GHz white paper Discuss incoming comments from IEEE PES PSCC S6 Task Force regarding 802.24 contribution to "Standards for integrating Home Automation IoT to Power Utilities Communication System" Recess Godfrey Godfrey/Rolfe Godfrey/Marks Godfrey 0 4:00 PM 4:00 PM 4:20 PM 4:40 PM 20 20 15 Godfrey Godfrey 20 0 4:55 PM 5:15 PM 2.6 2 Thursday PM2 session 2.1 2.2 2.3 Call to Order 802.24.2 IoT Task Group 802.24.2 Liaison Coordinator's Report DiMinico DiMinico/Diab DiMinico/Godfre y DiMinico Godfrey Godfrey 0 4:00 PM 4:00 PM 30 Collaboration (informal liaison) with Wi-Fi Alliance on IoT Use Cases) Review of IoT white paper development 802.24 New Action Items, AOB Adjourn 15 45 10 0 4:30 PM 4:45 PM 5:30 PM 5:40 PM 2.4 2.5 2.6 Submission Slide 3 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  4. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 Guidelines for IEEE-SA Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed do formally object. --------------------------------------------------------------- If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at patcom@ieee.org or visit http://standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/patcom/index.html See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy for more details. This slide set is available at https://development.standards.ieee.org/myproject/Public/mytools/mob/preparslides.ppt Submission IEEE 802 Executive Committee

  5. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 Participation in IEEE 802 Meetings Participation in any IEEE 802 meeting (Sponsor, Sponsor subgroup, Working Group, Working Group subgroup, etc.) is on an individual basis Participants in the IEEE standards development individual process shall act based on their qualifications and experience. (https://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws.pdf section 5.2.1) IEEE 802 Working Group membership is by individual; Working Group members shall participate in the consensus process in a manner consistent with their professional expert opinion as individuals, and not as organizational representatives . (subclause 4.2.1 Establishment , of the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures) Participants have an obligation to act and vote as an individual and not under the direction of any other individual or group. A Participant s obligation to act and vote as an individual applies in all cases, regardless of any external commitments, agreements, contracts, or orders. Participants shall not direct the actions or votes of any other member of an IEEE 802 Working Group or retaliate against any other member for their actions or votes within IEEE 802 Working Group meetings, see https://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws.pdf section 5.2.1.3 and the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures, subclause 3.4.1 Chair , list item x. By participating in IEEE 802 meetings, you accept these requirements. If you do not agree to these policies then you shall not participate. (Latest revision of IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures: http://www.ieee802.org/devdocs.shtml ) Submission Slide 5 IEEE 802 Executive Committee

  6. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 Administration Attendance take on IMAT Reciprocal rights for most WGs Web page http://www.ieee802.org/24 Mailing list stds-802-24@listserv.ieee.org 802-24-voters@listserv.ieee.org (voters list) Document archive http://mentor.ieee.org/802.24/documents IEEE 802 announcement reflector, stds-802-all@listserv.ieee.org Send email to listserv@listserv.ieee.org with no subject and with the following 2 lines appearing first in the body of the message Subscribe stds-802-all end Submission Slide 6 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  7. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 802.24 TAG Approve May minutes 24-18-0014r0 TAG Action Items from May: None Submission Slide 7 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  8. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 Liaison Pending liaison requests Establish Liaison with Wi-Fi Alliance IoT Market Segment Group. Resolution Based on discussion with 802.11 Chair Dorothy Stanley, there are no formal liaisons established with WFA. There is informal exchange of information and documents as needed We will progress on the same basis. Submission Slide 8 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  9. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 Liaison with IEC SEG8 Scope of SEG8: Assess, provide an overview and prioritization of the evolution of technical development and standardization in the field of communication technologies and architectures Liaison Request drafted in May Approved and send to SEG8 at this meeting Submission Slide 9 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  10. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 Tuesday 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG Submission Slide 10 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  11. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 ITU and Radio Regulatory Items Update from 802.18 From May meeting Any action on FCC notice on 3.7 4.2 GHz? Sharing rules similar to CBRS? Implication of CBRS rules for Smart Grid FANs - topic for white paper? OFCOM question on IoT is it OK to not have special bands for IoT. In general, IoT is now handled in ISM and commercial licensed spectrum. Submission Slide 11 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  12. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 Future Opportunities Tracking At plenary meetings review upcoming needs and opportunities for 802.24 projects. Are there any new utility industry activities or organizations that could benefit from a liaison to 802.24? ATIS is developing spreadsheet to classify IoT services, and their characteristics, and communication link requirements. Establish a liaison with that group. Potentially have a liaison request by September meeting Can we progress or expand the activities of the IoT Task Group? Submission Slide 12 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  13. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 Future Opportunities Tracking (.2) 802.24 white paper on IoT and P2413? Maybe more towards completion of P2413? Agnostic to underlying communications, but applicable to all 802 standards. Highlight the relationship between P2413 and 802 standards Discuss in 802.24.2 Submission Slide 13 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  14. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 Future Opportunities Tracking 802.15.12 ULI Incorporating features from 802.15.9 RP which are currently used in utility networking into ULI standard Some other areas of potential interest Develop use cases and examples of an integrated multi-802 network including 802.15. Explain the 48/64 bit bridging issues and solutions. Still in development (review again at end of 2018) 802.15.4s SMR spectrum management resources Can 802.24 provide an input with respect to Smart Grid or IoT? IEC 65C WG 17 dealing with coexistence management and spectrum policy ETSI TCRRS reconfigurable radio systems ETSI TCERM WG 41 defining a central coordination point to handle spectrum. Sharing and increasing coexistence and providing better QoS Nov 2017: May be useful for dynamic radio management identified by utilities as import for future network deployments 4s resource management is defined, but now how they are used White paper could cover how adaptation and resource management are accomplished. Including use of metrics for management. Cross-standard application of metrics Dynamic adaptability of 802.15.4 networks in the same spectrum as other 802 standards Compare and contrast with link adaptation in other 802 standards July 2018 Managing radios and link adaptation a common issue across different radio types. Is 4s providing needed measurements? Can 2-way power control be leveraged in grid applications? Can this standard be used as a sensor to understand how to best use 915 MHz ISM? Could we create an application guide for applying 15.4s in sub-1GHz spectrum? Better sharing/coex? Slide 14 Submission Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  15. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 Other Future Opportunities 802.15.4w LPWAN (and links to IETF) An 802-based alternative to proprietary LPWAN s White paper to compare and contrast with other LPWAN technologies? See where IG-DEP goes. Many use cases presented already covered by 802 standards Potential application in utility networks for extremely hard to reach endpoints Extremely low power use cases may be of interest to utility applications Participation required to steer to useful work Applying new bands and channel plans 802.15.4u and 802.15.4v completed. Add bands in various regions for existing 802.15.4 PHYs commonly used in smart grid. Action: Early 2019: Plan update of first white paper to address latest amendments of 802.15.4 w, x, y Submission Slide 15 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  16. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 TSN White Paper Draft nearing content-complete Updated document 802.24-17-0006r12 uploaded to Mentor following May meeting. Resolve embedded comments and gaps, notify 802.1 TSN of updated draft. Submission Slide 16 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  17. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 Joint meeting with 802.1 TSN Seaport F 2nd Level Start at 17:30 Submission Slide 17 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  18. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 Wednesday 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG Submission Slide 18 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  19. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 802.15.4g and 802.11ah Coexistence Feedback and actions from 802.19 IG 802.19 IG will develop recommendations: (options) 1) changing one or both standards (new features in .11 S1G or .15.4 SUN) 2) 802.19 could create guidelines for coex (e.g. how to parameterize the standards) Also need to consider other Sub-1GHz band occupants. Action Plan for 802.24 as 802.19 moves from SG to TG 802.24 will develop a whitepaper/document for application-specific use cases. Identifying where each standard is most suitable, and how to make best use of other changes. Identify use cases where 802.15.4g is not sufficient and both are needed Could be choices of applications, channel guidelines, duty cycle, Avoid perception that 802 standards are unable to coexist Evaluate and describe potential application-level implications of delay/latency increases due to mutual interference If NS-3 simulation models can be shared, others in IEEE 802 could progress that work. MERL will share simulation models on Github. New modules for 11ah 15.4g Submission Slide 19 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  20. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 Nendica IEEE 802 network enhancements for the next decade Industry Connections Activity Initiation Document (ICAID) NENDICA develops reports on specific topics. Completed data centers. Distributed Radio Access Networks 802.1 standard for intra-base station (TSN for fronthaul) (could it apply to 802.11?) Perhaps there are aspects of this TSN that can serve vertical applications? Second work item: Flexible Factory IoT apply TSN 802.24 can provide review and feedback. Coordinated, distributed, network management Provide guidance on factory applications and the requirements for wireless TSN Potential 802.24 activities Identify vertical applications that could be enabled by TSN features Identify vertical application that could be enabled if TSN features were present in wireless standards Can interfaces between wired and wireless map application-specific streams? Provide vertical application requirements (needs, underlying problems) to Nendica. Nendica is linked with 802.1 Describing what is needed to define a common framework for TSN across wired and wireless standards. How do they fit together. Slide 20 Submission Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  21. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 Sub 1 GHz White Paper Review 802.24 TAG white paper_edits.docx Continue addressing comments and questions on ownership and rights of wireless matrix Jonathan Goldberg and Katherine Berger will provide guidance on NIST permission process Submission Slide 21 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  22. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 IEEE PSCC TF S6 January 2018 Study Report "Standards for integrating Home Automation IoT to Power Utilities Communication Systems TAG comments and contributions from March plenary meeting have been provided back to TF S6 chair TF S6 had face to face meeting during IEEE 802 May Interim. Request for feedback has been sent Review any comments sent back to us. Submission Slide 22 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  23. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 Thursday 802.24.2 IoT TG Submission Slide 23 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  24. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 Tuesday: 802.24.2 802.24.2 Liaison Coordinator's Report Wael Diab (if not in attendance discuss finding a new person) Chris nominates Peter Jones Prior liaison requests Wi-Fi Alliance IoT Task Group Submission Slide 24 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  25. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 802.24.2 Status and development of IoT White paper 802.24-17-0036r2 Ludwig is developing some related materials. Start Single Pair Ethernet white paper through IEEE process 802.24-18-0011r0 Comment collection on reflector TIA and IEC standards related to SPE and IoT TIA TR42 report to 802.3, ISO IEC SC25 Power over Ethernet UL and NEC are getting involved Submission Slide 25 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

  26. July 2018 doc.: IEEE 802.24-18-0016r2 802.24 TAG closing Action Items from this meeting Farrokh Khatibi will provide introduction to ATIS group for liaison on classifying IoT services, and their characteristics, and communication link requirements Establish Liaison with IEC SC25 for single pair ethernet. Chris will base on IEC SEG 8 request Call for Comments on TSN and SPE white papers Request Ludwig Winkel to provide P2413 Update in September Request IoT Use Cases from Wi-Fi Alliance IoT MSTG Any New Business? Submission Slide 26 Tim Godfrey, EPRI

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