Effective Strategies for Managing Difficult Conversations in the Emergency Department

 
Managing Difficult
Conversations
 
Social Psychology 201
for ED’s
 
Stephen H. Anderson M.D., FACEP
President, WA State Chapter ACEP
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
1
 
September 24, 2012
 
Seven Conversations
 
Grieving
1)  Someone is dying/ died.
2)  Your child is going to have a bad outcome.
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
2
 
Seven Conversations
 
Sheriff/ Parenting
3)  I think you have a drug/ alcohol
problem.
4)  I think you’re here too often.
5)  Why are you REALLY here?
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
3
 
Seven Conversations
 
Colleague/ Political
6)  I disagree with you as a colleague.
7)  That’s not how administration foresees it.
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
4
 
Overlying Principles
 
There are rules/ givens.
You have to listen.
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
5
 
Principles
 
Know your allies…
Know their allies.
Find your support…
Find their support.
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
6
 
Principles
 
Believe in WIN- WIN.
To thine own self be true.
Document.
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
7
 
There Are Rules/ Givens
 
Some are hard…
Some are soft.
 
   Some are “ours”…
Some are “only mine”.
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
8
 
There Are Rules/ Givens
 
The Key
Ownership
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
9
 
You Have To Listen
 
Conversations are two way.
Find out their goals.
 Find out their fears.
Give them enough rope…
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
10
 
Know Your Allies…
 
Rally your troops.
Build your allies.
Do you want to be an expert witness?
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
11
 
Know Their Allies…
 
Introductions for EVERYONE.
Note “Alleged Allies” not present
           Acknowledge as appropriate.
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
12
 
Find Your Support
Find Their Support
 
Key to the Grieving Conversation
If you’re headed to war…
take them with you.
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
13
 
Believe In WIN-WIN
 
Try never to define your win,
by their loss.
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
14
 
Believe In WIN-WIN
 
Listen
Repeat back
Work toward a common goal
Compromise?
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
15
 
To Thine Own Self Be True
 
Never Lie
Never Lie
Never LIE!
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
16
 
These Are Difficult
Stressful
Conversations!
 
Debrief
Avoid being the one with the disease
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
17
 
Not All Conversations
Will End WIN-WIN
 
Some won’t end.
Have an exit strategy.
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
18
 
Document
 
ANY conversation with “potential” is
worth documenting.
Two documented views are better
then one.
“They” know how to document too!
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
19
 
Someone Is Dying/ 
Died
 
It’s someone’s job,
      take ownership.
Find your support
Find their support
 
#1
Most
Important
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
20
 
Someone Died
 
Focus on the closest,
                   talk to everyone
Listen
Account for beliefs/ cultures
Physical contact, the “healing touch”.
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
21
 
Someone Died
Goals To Express
 
1) We did everything appropriate.
2) Address pain & suffering.
3) “Now we are here to help you…
                                & others.”
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
22
 
Someone Is Dying
 
Don’t lie
Don’t steal hope
Be realistic
 
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
23
 
Someone Is Dying
 
Listen 
( Is the PATIENT speaking through an advanced directive?)
Find your support/ Find their support
Start the conversation
Geography/ proximity
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
24
 
Your Child
Is Going To Have
A Bad Outcome
 
Find your support/ Find their support
Don’t steal hope
Be honest “in that moment”
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
25
 
Bad Outcome
 
Negative attitude leads to
negative outcomes…
 
Blame is for later
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
26
 
Bad Outcome
 
Child’s safety first
When do you include the
child in the conversation?
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
27
 
I Think You Have A
Drug/ Alcohol Problem
 
Society/ Legislature/ Peers now tell us
     We MUST have these conversations
 
THIS is the pivotal time.
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
28
 
Drug & Alcohol Problems
The Principles
 
There are rules/ guidelines
Listen first
Your allies/ their allies
        
“Their support” might turn out to be your best ally!”
WIN-WIN
Be true to yourself
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
29
 
Drug & Alcohol
Tools to Help
 
Old Records
EDIE
WA state Prescription Monitoring Program
 
             Educate patients that these exist
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
30
 
I Think You’re Here Too Often
 
PRC
Patient’s
Requiring
Co-ordination
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
31
 
You’re Here Too Often
New WA Hospital Requirements
 
Identify PRC clients upfront
Notify their PCP of visit
Discharge patient with instructions along:
“the right patient-to the right place-at the right time”
 
Shouldn’t be a punitive discussion
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
32
 
You’re Here Too Often
 
“You’re Unique, but…”
Educate
“The Econ Lecture”
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
33
 
Why Are You REALLY Here?
 
Constructively focuses the scatter.
Gives an opening to the REAL difficult
conversation.
 
NEVER demean the answer
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
34
 
I Disagree With You
As A Colleague
 
Fatal Error VS. Difference Of Opinion
Fatal Error
Success comes through education first
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
35
 
Difference of Opinion
With A Colleague
 
Praise in Public/ Debate in Private
 
Ask yourself going in:
What’s my goal?
Am I a team builder?
How can I make this WIN-WIN?
Focus on the patient
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
36
 
Difference Of Opinion
 With A Colleague
 
Listen
Agree on the easy, Work toward the hard.
Set the stage for “The Next Time”
If necessary, use the chain of command.
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
37
 
That’s Not How
Administration Foresees It
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
38
Administration’s Viewpoint
 
The Golden Rule
1)
Do unto others, as you would have others
do unto you.
 
2)
Those with the gold, make the rules.
 
Every pathway has an economic angle.
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
39
 
Administration’s Viewpoint
 
What brought you to the table?
 
1)
What do they need from you?
2)
What motivates you?
Principles
Priorities
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
40
 
Administration’s Viewpoint
 
Great leaders
get input from
great followers
 
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
41
 
Managing Difficult
Conversations
 
There are rules/ givens
You have to listen
Know your allies/ know their allies
        Find your support/ find their support
Believe in WIN-WIN
To thine own self be true
Document
 
Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies
 
42
Slide Note

Why NOW?

a) Marcus Welby- Ability to postpone & delay with advances in technology.

b) George Clooney- Society & Legislature EXPECTS us to have these

c) Dr. Dreamy on Grays anatomy- New tools at our disposal.

Manage Chaos:

Control what you can

Recognize what you can’t

Identify goals and work towards them.

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Learn valuable insights from the presentation by Dr. Stephen H. Anderson on managing difficult conversations in the emergency department. The talk covers various scenarios such as dealing with grief, addressing substance abuse issues, handling disagreements with colleagues, and emphasizes the importance of active listening and understanding others' perspectives. Key principles like knowing allies, promoting win-win situations, and recognizing ownership are highlighted as essential strategies for successful communication in challenging situations.

  • Emergency Department
  • Difficult Conversations
  • Communication Strategies
  • Active Listening
  • Conflict Resolution

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  1. Managing Difficult Conversations Social Psychology 201 for ED s Stephen H. Anderson M.D., FACEP President, WA State Chapter ACEP September 24, 2012 Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 1

  2. Seven Conversations Grieving 1) Someone is dying/ died. 2) Your child is going to have a bad outcome. Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 2

  3. Seven Conversations Sheriff/ Parenting 3) I think you have a drug/ alcohol problem. 4) I think you re here too often. 5) Why are you REALLY here? Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 3

  4. Seven Conversations Colleague/ Political 6) I disagree with you as a colleague. 7) That s not how administration foresees it. Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 4

  5. Overlying Principles There are rules/ givens. You have to listen. Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 5

  6. Principles Know your allies Know their allies. Find your support Find their support. Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 6

  7. Principles Believe in WIN- WIN. To thine own self be true. Document. Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 7

  8. There Are Rules/ Givens Some are hard Some are soft. Some are ours Some are only mine . Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 8

  9. There Are Rules/ Givens The Key Ownership Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 9

  10. You Have To Listen Conversations are two way. Find out their goals. Find out their fears. Give them enough rope Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 10

  11. Know Your Allies Rally your troops. Build your allies. Do you want to be an expert witness? Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 11

  12. Know Their Allies Introductions for EVERYONE. Note Alleged Allies not present Acknowledge as appropriate. Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 12

  13. Find Your Support Find Their Support Key to the Grieving Conversation If you re headed to war take them with you. Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 13

  14. Believe In WIN-WIN Try never to define your win, by their loss. Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 14

  15. Believe In WIN-WIN Listen Repeat back Work toward a common goal Compromise? Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 15

  16. To Thine Own Self Be True Never Lie Never Lie Never LIE! Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 16

  17. These Are Difficult Stressful Conversations! Debrief Avoid being the one with the disease Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 17

  18. Not All Conversations Will End WIN-WIN Some won t end. Have an exit strategy. Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 18

  19. Document ANY conversation with potential is worth documenting. Two documented views are better then one. They know how to document too! Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 19

  20. Someone Is Dying/ Died It s someone s job, take ownership. #1 Most Important Find your support Find their support Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 20

  21. Someone Died Focus on the closest, talk to everyone Listen Account for beliefs/ cultures Physical contact, the healing touch . Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 21

  22. Someone Died Goals To Express 1) We did everything appropriate. 2) Address pain & suffering. 3) Now we are here to help you & others. Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 22

  23. Someone Is Dying Don t lie Don t steal hope Be realistic Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 23

  24. Someone Is Dying Listen ( Is the PATIENT speaking through an advanced directive?) Find your support/ Find their support Start the conversation Geography/ proximity Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 24

  25. Your Child Is Going To Have A Bad Outcome Find your support/ Find their support Don t steal hope Be honest in that moment Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 25

  26. Bad Outcome Negative attitude leads to negative outcomes Blame is for later Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 26

  27. Bad Outcome Child s safety first When do you include the child in the conversation? Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 27

  28. I Think You Have A Drug/ Alcohol Problem Society/ Legislature/ Peers now tell us We MUST have these conversations THIS is the pivotal time. Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 28

  29. Drug & Alcohol Problems The Principles There are rules/ guidelines Listen first Your allies/ their allies Their support might turn out to be your best ally! WIN-WIN Be true to yourself Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 29

  30. Drug & Alcohol Tools to Help Old Records EDIE WA state Prescription Monitoring Program Educate patients that these exist Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 30

  31. I Think Youre Here Too Often PRC Patient s Requiring Co-ordination Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 31

  32. Youre Here Too Often New WA Hospital Requirements Identify PRC clients upfront Notify their PCP of visit Discharge patient with instructions along: the right patient-to the right place-at the right time Shouldn t be a punitive discussion Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 32

  33. Youre Here Too Often You re Unique, but Educate The Econ Lecture Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 33

  34. Why Are You REALLY Here? Constructively focuses the scatter. Gives an opening to the REAL difficult conversation. NEVER demean the answer Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 34

  35. I Disagree With You As A Colleague Fatal Error VS. Difference Of Opinion Fatal Error Success comes through education first Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 35

  36. Difference of Opinion With A Colleague Praise in Public/ Debate in Private Ask yourself going in: What s my goal? Am I a team builder? How can I make this WIN-WIN? Focus on the patient Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 36

  37. Difference Of Opinion With A Colleague Listen Agree on the easy, Work toward the hard. Set the stage for The Next Time If necessary, use the chain of command. Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 37

  38. Thats Not How Administration Foresees It 38 Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies

  39. Administrations Viewpoint The Golden Rule Do unto others, as you would have others do unto you. 1) 2) Those with the gold, make the rules. Every pathway has an economic angle. Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 39

  40. Administrations Viewpoint What brought you to the table? 1) What do they need from you? 2) What motivates you? Principles Priorities Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 40

  41. Administrations Viewpoint Great leaders get input from great followers Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 41

  42. Managing Difficult Conversations There are rules/ givens You have to listen Know your allies/ know their allies Find your support/ find their support Believe in WIN-WIN To thine own self be true Document Presented at WSHA Safe Table - ER is for Emergencies 42

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