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Grennan College's Guidance and Counselling Department provides valuable information on career decisions, transitioning from 4th to 5th year, subject choices, exploring college options, and understanding the requirements for colleges and institutes of technology. The department also covers abbreviations for various universities and technological institutions, the hurdles students face for college entry, and the grading system at the senior cycle level, including the points system for comparing grades and levels.

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Grennan College Options For Senior Cycle 2024/2025 Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Career Decisions Should I do Transition Year (4th Year)? Should I go to 5th Year? If 5th Year, which subjects should I choose? Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Exploring the Options Looking at subjects and what the different Colleges and Institutes of Technology require. Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Abbreviations DCU = Dublin City University UL = University of Limerick TCD = Trinity College Dublin NUI = National University of Ireland UCD = University College Dublin UCC = University College Cork NUIG = National University of Ireland Galway NUIM = National University of Ireland Maynooth Technological Universities MTU (Munster Technological University) (Incorporating Cork IT, Cork School of Music, IT Tralee, Crawford College of Art and Design, National Maritime College of Ireland) TUS (Technological University of the Shannon) Incorporating Athlone IT, LIT Limerick , Clonmel, Thurles and Ennis campuses. TUD (Technological University of Dublin) Incorporating IT Tallagh, Blanchardstown IT, DIT Campuses in Grangegorman, Bolton St, Kevin St. and Aungier st. Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Abbreviations SETU (South East Technological University ) Incorporating WIT and IT Carlow & Wexford Campuses. Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Hurdles to College Entry To get a place on a college course a student must have three components; 1. The Points System 2. Matriculation requirements 3. Subject Requirements. (if applicable) Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Grades System at Senior Cycle Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

1. The Points System: Comparing Grades/Levels Higher Points Points Ordinary Paper Points H1 100 H2 88 H3 77 H4 66 H5 56 O1 56 H6 46 O2 46 H7 37 O3 37 H8 0 O4 28 O5 20 O6 12 O7 0 Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

How the Points System Works Points are allocated to the six best grades of an applicant. These grades must be achieved in one sitting of the Leaving Certificate Examination. Entry to a course which is competitive will be granted to those holding the highest number of points. The number of points required for any course in any year is not pre-set by any college. Example : B.Sc. (Hons) in Agricultural Science (WIT) = 380 points B.Sc in Physics & Biomedical Science (DCU) = 415 points Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Example An applicant has the following 7 results in 2023 Subject Irish English Maths French Biology Geography History Level Higher Ordinary Higher* Higher Higher Ordinary Higher Grade H4 O1 H6 H3 H4 O2 H3 Score 66 56 46+25=71 77 66 46 77 Points = 413 Add the best six scores, shown in bold. *All those who do Higher Maths and pass get an extra 25 points Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

What does Matriculation mean? Matriculation = The minimum amount of subjects passed and certain grades that a college wants you to have in your Leaving Cert before you can be given a place on any course. The following table outlines these requirements. Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

General Matriculation Requirements NUI (For Arts Courses) UCD UCC NUIG NUIM _______________________________________________ Grade H5 in 2 Higher Level subjects and Grade H7/O6 in 4 higher or Ordinary level subjects which must include English, Maths & a third European language (For a limited number of courses) University of Limerick Grade H5 in 2 Higher Level subjects and Grade H7/O6 in 4 higher or Ordinary level subjects which must include English, Maths & Irish OR a third European language Trinity College Dublin Grade H5 in 3 Higher Level subjects and Grade H7/O6 in 3 higher or Ordinary level subjects which must include English, Maths & Irish OR a third European language Grade H5 in 2 Higher Level subjects and Grade H7/O6 in 4 higher or Ordinary level subjects which must include Maths & English OR Irish Dublin City University (DCU) Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Technological Universities (SETU : WIT/ IT Carlow) Grade H5 in 2 Higher Level subjects and Grade H7/O6 in 4 Higher or Ordinary level subjects which must include Maths & English (some courses) Grade H7/ O6 in 5 Higher or Ordinary Level in 5 subjects (Some courses) Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Matriculation Q:If a student is granted an exemption, does he/she still need six subjects for matriculation? A: Yes every student needs six subjects to matriculate. Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Matriculation Q: Is the Leaving Certificate Vocational Programme (LCVP) acceptable as a subject for Matriculation purposes? A: No. While LCVP may be used for points purposes, it does not count as one of the six subjects acceptable for matriculation Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Colleges of Further Education PLC Courses (1 Year QQI Courses) 5 subjects at H7/O6 in Higher or Ordinary Level Must Include Maths and English No points required. Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

What if I have an exemption from Irish / third European language ? This applies only for certain courses in UCC, UCD, NUIM & NUIG There are special provisions for students whose dyslexia constitutes a significant learning difficulty. A student who has been granted an exemption from Irish at school on the grounds of dyslexia, having been assessed by a professional psychologist, should complete Section A and Section D of the Exemption Application form and return it to NUI. You should enclose a copy of the Psychologist s Report together with a copy of the Department of Education and Skills Certificate of Exemption. In these cases NUI will grant an exemption from Irish and also from the Third Language requirement. Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

What if I have an exemption from Irish / third European language ? Contd Sometimes students are diagnosed late as having dyslexia and have not come to the attention of the National Educational Psychological Service. In these cases, NUI will accept certification from a professional psychologist accompanied by a recent (no more than 3 years old) report from the psychologist. Students should complete Section A and Section E of the Exemption Application Form and return it to NUI enclosing a copy of the Psychologist s Report and the NUI certification form signed by the Psychologist. Copies of these forms are available from http://www.nui.ie/college/entry-requirements.asp Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

3. Subject Requirements Beyond the matriculation/ general entry requirements, particular courses may require grades, at certain levels, in particular subjects. If you are considering going to any of the colleges of the National University of Ireland (UCD, UCC, NUI Galway, NUI Maynooth RCSI) a third language should be among your chosen subjects for Arts courses which require you to have at least a pass in a third language e.g. French Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Some Examples Trinity: Science (Common entry) you must have a H6 or O4 in Maths and a H4 in 2 science subjects DCU: Engineering (Common entry) you must have a H4 in Maths B.Sc in Multimedia you must have a H4 in English WIT: B.Eng in Mechanical & Manufacturing Engineering H5 or better in a laboratory subject or a technical subject e.g DCG, Construction Studies you must have a NUIM: Media Studies you must have a H5 in English and a pass H7/O6 in French UCC: Medicine/Dentistry Courses an H4 in Chemistry and a H4 in either Physics or Biology. Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Core Subjects at Leaving Cert Gaeilge English Mathematics Religious Education Physical Education ICT Studies Careers Education Core + 4 Option Subjects Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

12 Leaving Cert Subjects to choose from Art Music Biology Business Chemistry Construction Studies Engineering LCVP (if you qualify) French Geography History Scientific & Social Home Economics Design & Communication Graphics Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

The Core Subjects Irish English Maths All students take these subjects as they are required for very many courses. Please Note! Foundation level Maths & Irish do not count for points or satisfy subject requirements for college courses. Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Irish Higher Level Irish is required for: Primary Teaching in Ireland Undergraduate courses and for the Cadets in the Defence Forces All NUI College Courses Note! Nursing in NUI Colleges require a pass in Irish O6/H7 (UCC, UCD & University of Galway) Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

English English is required for all NUI Courses and almost ALL Third Level Colleges. Higher Level English is required for courses in Journalism and Media e.g. Media Studies, NUIM Communications, DCU & Tallaght IT Journalism, DCU & DIT Multi Media, DCU English, TCD Clinical Speech, TCD Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Maths Ordinary Level Maths is required for almost ALL Third Level courses including Certificate courses in Institutes of Technology (e.g., IT Carlow & WIT). Higher Level Maths is required for most degrees in; Engineering Maths Finance Actuary Science Medical and Para- Medical courses Maths is not required for courses which do not involve numerate subjects e.g. Art, Law, Languages. Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

French A European language is essential for Arts & Media Courses in NUI Colleges and RCSI 3rdlanguage or Art is essential for NCAD. It is useful for careers in Hospitality Industry, Travel & Tourism, Secretarial & Business, Teaching. It is essential for B.Ed Degrees , Shannon College of Hotel Management, Cadets in the Defence Forces Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

French However this rule has been relaxed somewhat e.g. French is NOT REQUIRED for courses in (A) Engineering or (B) Nursing or (C) Science in NUI Colleges (D) Business Courses in Maynooth University DCU, UL & IT s do not require a European Language except where it is studied as a course subject. Trinity College requires Irish OR a third European Language Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Geography While Geography is not essential for any courses, it is useful for careers in Travel & Tourism, Geology, Meteorology, Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Home Economics (Social & Scientific) This subject is useful for Teacher training in Home Economics Also useful for careers in Hospitality Industry, Chef, Nursing, Social Care Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

History (Contemporary Course) Useful for careers in Politics, Journalism, Teaching, Archaeology, Museum Guide, Tourism Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Business Studies This subject is useful for 3rdLevel College courses in Business, Economics, Finance & Commerce. Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Art National College of Art & Design require a pass in Art or a 3rdLanguage. Portfolio of Artwork is required most Art Colleges and Courses Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Music Music is useful for careers in music and music teaching Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Science Subjects Biology & Chemistry At least one science subject is required for many courses both in University and IT s. Biology is essential for careers in Nursing Physiotherapy Dental Hygiene Higher Level Chemistry is essential for most Science Degrees. Human Nutrition, Biomedical Science in DIT Dentistry & Medicine UCC Veterinary Science, UCD Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

The Practical Subjects Construction Studies Technical Graphics Engineering Useful for apprenticeships and careers in building, Trades, Architecture, Town Planning, Civil Engineering, Electronics, Mechanics Also required for B.Tech Ed degree in UL for teaching. Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Subject Choice Procedure Students are given an open choice from the following list of 12 subjects. Art Music Biology Business Chemistry Construction studies Engineering French Geography History Scientific & Social Home Economics Design & Communication Graphics Students analysed by the school. The school VSware System puts together a pool of subjects that will aim to give students as many of their four preferences as possible preferences are then Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Exercise As a PRACTICE exercise pick 4 subjects from the list. 1. The subject you want the most 2. Your 2ndfavourite subject 3. Your 3rdfavourite subject 4. Your 4thfavourite subject. You wouldn t be too disappointed if you didn t get this subject and had to choose another subject instead. Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Vsware Entry When you do this for real you will be doing it with your parents on Vsware. When every student has submitted their 4 choices, Vsware will create the best possible pool of subjects in 4 lines. Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Subject Pools L.C. (2019 - 2020) Biology / Construction / Art Geography / Engineering / Home Ec /History DCG/Business/ Chemistry/ Music French/ Biology/Engineering Students choose one subject from each line Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Subject Pools L.C. (2021 - 2022) French/ Geography / Art DCG / Home Economics/ Biology Music / Construction / Business History/ Engineering/ Biology/ Chemistry Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Subject Pools L.C. (2023 - 2024) Construction / Art / Biology/ Chemistry DCG / Business / Music / Biology Engineering/ Home Economics /History French/ Geography/ Construction Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Subject Choice Procedure Contd.. Not everybody will get all their 4 choices!! However, in the last number of years every student has got at least 3 out of 4 of their subject preferences. !!! The subject pools are also dependent on the staffing resources available in the school each year. Hence we may not be able to provide a second class in some subjects every year. Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

What are the class number restrictions? Home Economics = 20 Biology & Chemistry = 24 Art, DCG, Construction, Engineering = 24 All other subjects = 30 Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

So what happens if there are not enough spaces in one or more of the subjects? 1. At this stage we will ask all students to reconsider their choices and ask if any student would voluntarily change out of one of the oversubscribed subjects. 2. If there are no voluntary changes we will look at those who had the relevant subject as their 4th choice in order of preference and ask them to consider changing. We will also take into account teachers opinions based on past tests and performance in class. 3. We will also short list those who have not done the subject up to Junior Cert. 4. For those who have done the subject we will consider the grade they received in the Junior Cert (if a TY Student) or their record of grades (if a 3rd Year Student). 5. We will take into account the student s past and current record of attendance, behaviour and participation in school. 6. Failing any voluntary change we will resort to lottery from those who had subject as 4th choice or have been short listed. Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

The Safe Range Irish (unless you have an exemption) English Mathematics French A Science subject (Chemistry, or Biology,) And two other subjects This is called the Safe Range because with this type of choice i.e., which includes a language and a science subject, it leaves all options open when a student comes to choosing a college course in 6th Year. Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Next Steps Discuss subject choice at home with your child. Go to the Guidance page of our Grennan College Website and access information on what is involved in each subject. Teachers have been talking about their subjects at LC level all this week using https://careersportal.ie/school/subject_explorer.php?parent=2006&ed_su b_cat_id=355&menu_parent_id=2110 Time Line 19th 23rdFebruary Subject Awareness Week(P/T/S) 26thFebruary 1stMarch Parents enter their child s preferences 1-4 on Vsware. (see explanatory video on Guidance Website) Friday 1stMarch The facility closes @12 Midnight. Final Monday 11thMarch Choice Forms given out on to be returned to Ms. O Donnell the following day Tuesday 12thMarch signed by parents/guardians Friday 22ndMarch: Class lists for September 2024 are finalised. Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Questions for clarification If there is anything you need clarified you can email your questions to careers@grennancollege.ie Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College

Subject Choice - Final Tips Before you take the plunge .. Seek advice from older students, siblings Subject Textbooks Subject teachers Choose subjects you like and are good at Check college requirements Guidance and Counselling Dept. Grennan College