Double Fouls in Football

 
WMOA Meeting #6
 
Tuesday, October 16, 2023
 
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Congrats to WMOA playoff
nominees!
 
“C’mon man!”
 
https://youtu.be/FxHxaAjRrLM?si=MwzmQtZUnuW
wkSyK&t=111
 
Double fouls/offsetting
fouls
 
Rule 10-2-1
 
It is a 
double foul
 if both teams commit live ball
fouls (other than nonplayer or UNS) during the
same live-ball period in which
There is no COP (unless the Team R fouls are PSK
fouls); or
There is a COP, and the team in final possession fouls
prior to the final COP (i.e., 
didn’t get the ball with
”clean hands”
); or
There is a COP and the team in final possession
accepts the penalty for its opponents foul at any time
during the down
 
“Double bock:”
“Double both” 
Rule 10-2-1
 
It is a 
double foul
 if both teams commit 
live ball
fouls
 (other than nonplayer or UNS) during the
same live-ball period in which…
There is no COP (unless the Team R fouls are PSK
fouls); or
There is a COP, and the team in final possession fouls
prior to the final COP 
(i.e., 
didn’t get the ball with
”clean hands”
)
; or
There is a COP and the team in final possession
accepts the penalty for its opponents foul at any time
during the down
 
Enforcement when a true
double foul?
 
Penalties offset and the down is replayed.
Down & possession after
penalty
Rule 4-2-1
: After a
distance penalty, the ball
belongs to the team in
possession at the time of
the foul
…unless it is a PSK
foul or KCI.
 
Double fouls & COP
 
Know the rules to determine whether an offset is
appropriate or if the team in final possession has
an option to keep the ball (Rule 10-2-2).
Recall: It doesn’t matter 
how many times
 team
possession changes…
If team 
in final possession
 got the ball ”
with clean
hands
,” they can keep it provided
they decline their opponents’ foul (no matter when it
occurred during the down), and
so long as these are live-ball fouls and not LED fouls.
 
Example 1
 
1/10 @ A-30. A75 is flagged for being illegally
downfield. A1’s pass is intercepted by B7 at the A-
40, who runs and is downed at the A-10. During
B7’s run, B9 is flagged for an illegal block in the
back at the A-20.
 
Example 1
 
1/10 @ A-30. A75 is flagged for being illegally
downfield. A1’s pass is intercepted by B7 at the A-
40, who runs and is downed at the A-10. During
B7’s run, B9 is flagged for an illegal block in the
back at the A-20.
B got the ball with clean hands; B can decline IDP
and keep the ball while having their IBB enforced.
 
Example 2
 
1/10 @ A-30. A1’s pass is intercepted by B7 at
the A-40, who runs the ball back. During B7’s run,
B9 is flagged for an illegal block in the back at the
A-20. B7 is brought down at the A-10 by A65, who
grabbed and twisted B7’s face mask.
 
Example 2
 
1/10 @ A-30. A1’s pass is intercepted by B7 at
the A-40, who runs the ball back. During B7’s run,
B9 is flagged for an illegal block in the back at the
A-20. B7 is brought down at the A-10 by A65, who
grabbed and twisted B7’s face mask.
Order
 of the fouls doesn’t matter. 
Did team in final
possession get ball with clean hands
? Can B keep
the ball? What must happen?
 
Example 3
 
1/10 @ A-30. A1 hands off to A30 who runs to the
A-40, where he fumbles as B66 horse-collar
tackles him (flag is thrown). B70 recovers the
fumble at the A-35. During A30’s run a teammate
was flagged for holding at the line of scrimmage.
 
Example 3
 
1/10 @ A-30. A1 hands off to A30 who runs to the
A-40, where he fumbles as B66 horse-collar
tackles him (flag is thrown). B70 recovers the
fumble at the A-35. During A30’s run a teammate
was flagged for holding at the line of scrimmage.
COP?--yes, but 
did B get the ball with clean hands
?
What will we do here?
 
Example 4
 
4/10 @ K-40. K9’s punt is fielded by R20 at the R-
30 and returned to midfield where he is downed.
At the snap, K was flagged for illegal shift. During
the kick, R35 was flagged for holding at the R-40.
 
Example 4
 
4/10 @ K-40. K9’s punt is fielded by R20 at the R-
30 and returned to midfield where he is downed.
At the snap, K was flagged for illegal shift. During
the kick, R35 was flagged for holding at the R-40.
Scrimmage kick play. Live ball fouls by both teams,
yes. 
But, R’s foul is a PSK foul, so we’ll say they got
the ball with clean hands
. Now what?
 
Example 5
 
1/10 @ A-30. At the snap Team A is flagged for
illegal shift. A30’s run is followed by a fumble that
is recovered by B99 and run back for an apparent
touchdown. When B99 is at his own 10 yardline, he
turns and taunts his pursuers on his way across
the Team A goal line.
 
Example 5
 
1/10 @ A-30. At the snap Team A is flagged for
illegal shift. A30’s run is followed by a fumble that
is recovered by B99 and run back for an apparent
touchdown. When B99 is at his own 10 yardline, he
turns and taunts his pursuers on his way across
the Team A goal line.
Is this a double foul? No. Because 
Team B’s foul
was UNS, this is a LED foul
. (Team A’s coach is
going to blow. a. gasket.) How do we handle this?
 
Example 6
 
1/10 @ A-30. B45 is flagged for holding wideout
A80 while A80 was starting his pass route. Then,
A1’s long pass is intercepted by B3 at the B-30,
who runs and is downed at midfield. During B3’s
run, B20 is flagged for an illegal blindside block
at the B-40.
 
Example 6
 
1/10 @ A-30. B45 is flagged for holding wideout
A80 while A80 was starting his pass route. Then,
A1’s long pass is intercepted by B3 at the B-30,
who runs and is downed at midfield. During B3’s
run, B20 is flagged for an illegal blindside block
at the B-40.
Double foul?—why not? What do we say to the
coach who can’t understand why he can’t have
fifteen yards for the personal foul his player
endured?
 
Let’s recap
 
DOUBLE BOCK: DOUBLE BOTH (prost!)
Double foul = Both teams commit live-ball fouls
(other than UNS or nonplayer fouls) during the
same down.
If there’s a COP (and we’re not dealing with LED
fouls or PSK fouls) then the team in final
possession can decline the penalty for their
opponent’s foul, keep the ball, and have their own
penalty enforced.
 
Have a great night
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Double fouls can occur when both teams commit live-ball fouls during the same period. In such cases, penalties offset, and the down is replayed. Possession changes do not affect the outcome as long as the team in final possession had clean hands before fouling.

  • Football
  • Double Fouls
  • Offsetting Fouls
  • Penalty Enforcement
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  1. WMOA Meeting #6 Tuesday, October 16, 2023 Kindly: 1. Confirm your display name is First Last. 2. Mute your microphone 3. Stop your video

  2. Congrats to WMOA playoff nominees! ERICKSON PADDOCK GILLS RODENHOUSE NAVARRO MULLER MADISON HERT PAGANELLI WIERCINSKI PATRICK MCINTYRE WOJCIK WAALKES BURREL RYPMA STURM COSTELLO STONE HARABURDA VANDERHULST HAWKINS HENDRICKSON COLLINS SKRIPKA WINNE TIEFENBACH BECKER MCDOWELL VANLAAN NOLES BAZAN ESSENBURG SUGGS CLARK HALL BRIGGS DRISCOLL DIBBLE DISCHER LAFRENCE HOWELL MCINTYRE PEETS DAVE GODA NIKKEL KLOOSTERMAN DUCKWORTH BAZAN

  3. Cmon man! https://youtu.be/FxHxaAjRrLM?si=MwzmQtZUnuW wkSyK&t=111

  4. Double fouls/offsetting fouls

  5. Rule 10-2-1 It is a double foul if both teams commit live ball fouls (other than nonplayer or UNS) during the same live-ball period in which There is no COP (unless the Team R fouls are PSK fouls); or There is a COP , and the team in final possession fouls prior to the final COP (i.e., didn t get the ball with clean hands ); or There is a COP and the team in final possession accepts the penalty for its opponents foul at any time during the down

  6. Double bock: Double both

  7. Notice: It doesnt matter how many times Rule 10-2-1 possession changes, only that the team in final possession got the ball before they fouled (i.e., with clean hands ) It is a double foul if both teams commit live ball fouls (other than nonplayer or UNS) during the same live-ball period in which There is no COP (unless the Team R fouls are PSK fouls); or There is a COP , and the team in final possession fouls prior to the final COP (i.e., didn t get the ball with clean hands ); or There is a COP and the team in final possession accepts the penalty for its opponents foul at any time during the down they fouled. because Team K is punting, we re basically acting as if Team R already had the ball when

  8. Enforcement when a true double foul? Penalties offset and the down is replayed.

  9. Down & possession after penalty Rule 4-2-1: After a distance penalty, the ball belongs to the team in possession at the time of the foul unless it is a PSK foul or KCI. the ball is almost always going to belong to the team that had possession when they fouled. (Watch out for angry coaches!)

  10. Double fouls & COP Know the rules to determine whether an offset is appropriate or if the team in final possession has an option to keep the ball (Rule 10-2-2). Recall: It doesn t matter how many times team possession changes If team in final possession got the ball with clean hands, they can keep it provided they decline their opponents foul (no matter when it occurred during the down), and so long as these are live-ball fouls and not LED fouls.

  11. Example 1 1/10 @ A-30. A75 is flagged for being illegally downfield. A1 s pass is intercepted by B7 at the A- 40, who runs and is downed at the A-10. During B7 s run, B9 is flagged for an illegal block in the back at the A-20.

  12. Example 1 1/10 @ A-30. A75 is flagged for being illegally downfield. A1 s pass is intercepted by B7 at the A- 40, who runs and is downed at the A-10. During B7 s run, B9 is flagged for an illegal block in the back at the A-20. B got the ball with clean hands; B can decline IDP and keep the ball while having their IBB enforced.

  13. Example 2 1/10 @ A-30. A1 s pass is intercepted by B7 at the A-40, who runs the ball back. During B7 s run, B9 is flagged for an illegal block in the back at the A-20. B7 is brought down at the A-10 by A65, who grabbed and twisted B7 s face mask.

  14. Example 2 1/10 @ A-30. A1 s pass is intercepted by B7 at the A-40, who runs the ball back. During B7 s run, B9 is flagged for an illegal block in the back at the A-20. B7 is brought down at the A-10 by A65, who grabbed and twisted B7 s face mask. Orderof the fouls doesn t matter. Did team in final possession get ball with clean hands? Can B keep the ball? What must happen?

  15. Example 3 1/10 @ A-30. A1 hands off to A30 who runs to the A-40, where he fumbles as B66 horse-collar tackles him (flag is thrown). B70 recovers the fumble at the A-35. During A30 s run a teammate was flagged for holding at the line of scrimmage.

  16. Example 3 1/10 @ A-30. A1 hands off to A30 who runs to the A-40, where he fumbles as B66 horse-collar tackles him (flag is thrown). B70 recovers the fumble at the A-35. During A30 s run a teammate was flagged for holding at the line of scrimmage. COP?--yes, but did B get the ball with clean hands? What will we do here?

  17. Example 4 4/10 @ K-40. K9 s punt is fielded by R20 at the R- 30 and returned to midfield where he is downed. At the snap, K was flagged for illegal shift. During the kick, R35 was flagged for holding at the R-40.

  18. Example 4 4/10 @ K-40. K9 s punt is fielded by R20 at the R- 30 and returned to midfield where he is downed. At the snap, K was flagged for illegal shift. During the kick, R35 was flagged for holding at the R-40. Scrimmage kick play. Live ball fouls by both teams, yes. But, R s foul is a PSK foul, so we ll say they got the ball with clean hands. Now what?

  19. Example 5 1/10 @ A-30. At the snap Team A is flagged for illegal shift. A30 s run is followed by a fumble that is recovered by B99 and run back for an apparent touchdown. When B99 is at his own 10 yardline, he turns and taunts his pursuers on his way across the Team A goal line.

  20. Example 5 1/10 @ A-30. At the snap Team A is flagged for illegal shift. A30 s run is followed by a fumble that is recovered by B99 and run back for an apparent touchdown. When B99 is at his own 10 yardline, he turns and taunts his pursuers on his way across the Team A goal line. Is this a double foul? No. Because Team B s foul was UNS, this is a LED foul. (Team A s coach is going to blow. a. gasket.) How do we handle this?

  21. Example 6 1/10 @ A-30. B45 is flagged for holding wideout A80 while A80 was starting his pass route. Then, A1 s long pass is intercepted by B3 at the B-30, who runs and is downed at midfield. During B3 s run, B20 is flagged for an illegal blindside block at the B-40.

  22. Example 6 1/10 @ A-30. B45 is flagged for holding wideout A80 while A80 was starting his pass route. Then, A1 s long pass is intercepted by B3 at the B-30, who runs and is downed at midfield. During B3 s run, B20 is flagged for an illegal blindside block at the B-40. Double foul? why not? What do we say to the coach who can t understand why he can t have fifteen yards for the personal foul his player endured?

  23. Lets recap DOUBLE BOCK: DOUBLE BOTH (prost!) Double foul = Both teams commit live-ball fouls (other than UNS or nonplayer fouls) during the same down. If there s a COP (and we re not dealing with LED fouls or PSK fouls) then the team in final possession can decline the penalty for their opponent s foul, keep the ball, and have their own penalty enforced.

  24. Have a great night

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