Physics Lab Due Soon: Energy Conservation and Atwood Problem Revisited

General announcements
  Conservation of Energy lab due 
Monday, 10/28
Did you start parts A + B calculations? If not, DO IT TONIGHT. Ask
questions tomorrow
last chance before it’s due!
  Test is on Wednesday 10/30, Chipotle night Monday, 10/28
Atwood problem revisited 
 a twist
Second, you can identify the
zero potential energy level
separately for EACH BODY
independent of the other (we
will do a problem below where
that is important).  Having said
that, I usually make the
LOWEST POINT OF
TRAVEL the y=0 level for
each body.  This means that the
3 kg mass will have its y = 0
point at it
s start-point and the
5 kg mass at its end-point (see
sketch)
First, there are TWO bodies moving with the same
velocity magnitude and displacing the same net
distance (though one is moving downward and the
other upward).
There are two things to notice at the outset.
“Another Problem from Hell” Revisited
Jello (loses 40 J)
k = 200 N/m
v
f
 = 0 m/s
 
An object of m = 3 kg starts with initial velocity = 4 m/s down a 30 degree frictionless
incline. It then enters a frictionless loop of radius = 2 meters where its velocity through the
top is measured at 12 m/s. It then enters a jello vat which removes 40 joules of energy
between entry and exit, then passes over a 12-meter-long frictional surface where F
fk
=2.5 N
and hits a spring, losing an unknown amount of energy while pushing spring of k = 200
N/m a distance of 1.2 meters before coming to rest (whew).
 
(a) What is h?
  
(b) How much energy is lost while compressing the spring?
Still more fun with Problem
#6: 
A small 
mass 
m
 
sits 
stationary atop a
frictionless ice dome 
of 
radius R
.  A tiny, tiny,
tiny 
gust of wind 
just slightly 
nudges
 the mass
off-center, and it begins to 
slide down the
dome
.  
At
 
what angle will it leave the dome?
23.)
 
There are
, as usual, 
two points of interest
 
here.  WHENEVER YOU RUN into a problem like this where it 
isn’t
 at all
obvious how to proceed
, 
just start writing down relationships 
you know are true.
In this case, the 
two that 
should 
jump out 
at you are 
energy
 and the fact that the
body is moving centripetally at the lift-off point
.  Utilizing the latter first:
 
f.b.d. at in general:
24.)
At lift-off
, the 
normal force goes to zero
,
which means:
 
What about
 energy?
 
             That would 
change the initial
gravitational potential energy 
to 
mg(2R)
yielding:
 
We could 
extend 
the ramp upward
 as
shown.
25.)
And how
 might we make 
this 
more
exciting?
 
We could additionally 
add a spring at the
top (not shown)
, which would also 
change
the initial potential energy 
yielding
26.)
And, of course, we could 
add
 to all of
that 
jello 
that would take out, say 
300
joules of energy
 
None of these 
changes 
would alter the centripetal force part 
of the problem,
but they would alter the energy part.  
The energy APPROACH wouldn’t
change
, though.  
Look to see what’s happening at the beginning of the interval
.
Look to see what’s happening at the end
.  
Look to see what happened 
during
the interval
.  
It’s simple!
 
yielding:
  Multiple choice questions, as usual
  Skills:
What is a dot product? How do we “dot” two vectors? What does theta represent in that
equation?  How do you determine the angle between the line of two vectors?
Be able to determine work using the various definitions of work (                                    ,
Know the potential energy functions for objects close to the surface of the earth (U
g
) and
for springs (U
spr
), as well as equations for those and KE
Know what conservative vs. nonconservative forces are and what that means in terms of
work/energy
Know what power is (in terms of energy) and its units (not much on this)
  Long-answer problems:
Be able to solve problems involving ramps, loops, springs, Atwood machines,
rollercoasters, toy 
spring
 guns, etc. using Cons. of Energy
Be able to use N2L if necessary (e.g. loops and humps
)
Be able to solve them if we throw something silly in like Jello
What to expect for the test
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Physics students are reminded about the Conservation of Energy lab due on Monday, with urgent reminders to complete calculations for parts A and B. Additional problems on Atwood's machine and a complex energy conservation scenario are presented, challenging students to apply their understanding of physics principles to solve various problems.

  • Physics Lab
  • Energy Conservation
  • Atwood Problem
  • Physics Students
  • Problem Solving

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  1. General announcements Conservation of Energy lab due Monday, 10/28 Did you start parts A + B calculations? If not, DO IT TONIGHT. Ask questions tomorrow last chance before it s due! Test is on Wednesday 10/30, Chipotle night Monday, 10/28

  2. Atwood problem revisited a twist There are two things to notice at the outset. First, there are TWO bodies moving with the same velocity magnitude and displacing the same net distance (though one is moving downward and the other upward). Second, you can identify the zero potential energy level separately for EACH BODY independent of the other (we will do a problem below where that is important). Having said that, I usually make the LOWEST POINT OF TRAVEL the y=0 level for each body. This means that the 3 kg mass will have its y = 0 point at it s start-point and the 5 kg mass at its end-point (see sketch) start point for m2 m2 starts at y = d, relative to its zero d m2 m1 m2 ends at its y=0 m1 ends at y = d, relative to its zero d start point for m1 m1 starts at its y = 0

  3. Another Problem from Hell Revisited m = 3 kg v1= 4 m/s vtop=12 m/s k = 200 N/m x=1.2 m h R=2 m q= 30o fk= 2.5nt vf = 0 m/s Jello (loses 40 J) x=12 m An object of m = 3 kg starts with initial velocity = 4 m/s down a 30 degree frictionless incline. It then enters a frictionless loop of radius = 2 meters where its velocity through the top is measured at 12 m/s. It then enters a jello vat which removes 40 joules of energy between entry and exit, then passes over a 12-meter-long frictional surface where Ffk=2.5 N and hits a spring, losing an unknown amount of energy while pushing spring of k = 200 N/m a distance of 1.2 meters before coming to rest (whew). (a) What is h? (b) How much energy is lost while compressing the spring?

  4. m Still more fun with Problem #6: A small mass m sits stationary atop a frictionless ice dome of radius R. A tiny, tiny, tiny gust of wind just slightly nudges the mass off-center, and it begins to slide down the dome. At what angle will it leave the dome? There are, as usual, two points of interest here. WHENEVER YOU RUN into a problem like this where it isn t at all obvious how to proceed, just start writing down relationships you know are true. In this case, the two that should jump out at you are energy and the fact that the body is moving centripetally at the lift-off point. Utilizing the latter first: v2 R q Rcosq f.b.d. at in general: c N N -mgcosq = -mac = -mv ( ) Fc: 2 mgcosq x R mg mgsinq 23.)

  5. m At lift-off, the normal force goes to zero, which means: v2 N -mgcosq = -mac = -mv2 Fc: 0 R ( ) R ( ) R q 2 Rcosq 2 mgcosq= mv2 ( ) 2= gRcosq v2 What about energy? 0 + mgR ( 2m v2 + + )+ 0 =1 = + 2+mg Rcosq ( KE1 U1 Wext KE2 ( ) U2 ) mgR =1 1=1 q = cos-1 2 ( )+mg Rcosq ( ) 2m Rgcosq 2cosq+cosq=3 2cosq = 48.19o 3 24.)

  6. R And how might we make this more exciting? m We could extend the ramp upward as shown. That would change the initial gravitational potential energy to mg(2R) yielding: R 0 + mg 2R 2m v2 ( + + )+ 0 =1 = + KE1 U1 Wext KE2 ( ) U2 v2 ( ) 2+mg Rcosq R We could additionally add a spring at the top (not shown), which would also change the initial potential energy yielding q Rcosq 0 + mg 2R ( + + = + KE1 U1 )+1 Wext KE2 ( ) U2 + 0 =1 ( ) 2+mg Rcosq 2kx2 2m v2 25.)

  7. R m And, of course, we could add to all of that jello that would take out, say 300 joules of energy yielding: R jello 0 + mg 2R 2m v2 ( + + = )=1 + KE1 U1 )+1 Wext KE2 ( ) U2 v2 + -300 J ( ( ) 2+mg Rcosq 2kx2 R q Rcosq None of these changes would alter the centripetal force part of the problem, but they would alter the energy part. The energy APPROACH wouldn t change, though. Look to see what s happening at the beginning of the interval. Look to see what s happening at the end. Look to see what happened during the interval. It s simple! 26.)

  8. What to expect for the test Multiple choice questions, as usual Skills: What is a dot product? How do we dot two vectors? What does theta represent in that equation? How do you determine the angle between the line of two vectors? Be able to determine work using the various definitions of work ( , Wnet= DKE Wcons.force= -DUforce fct Know the potential energy functions for objects close to the surface of the earth (Ug) and for springs (Uspr), as well as equations for those and KE Know what conservative vs. nonconservative forces are and what that means in terms of work/energy Know what power is (in terms of energy) and its units (not much on this) Long-answer problems: Be able to solve problems involving ramps, loops, springs, Atwood machines, rollercoasters, toy spring guns, etc. using Cons. of Energy Be able to use N2L if necessary (e.g. loops and humps ) Be able to solve them if we throw something silly in like Jello

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