
IEEE 802.24 March 2019 Meeting Overview
Explore the proceedings of the IEEE 802.24 March 2019 meeting held in Vancouver. The agenda includes discussions on Smart Grid, IoT, white paper reviews, and collaboration activities. Guidelines for IEEE-SA meetings and compliance with laws are emphasized. Stay informed about the key highlights and activities of the Technical Advisory Group.
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March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 802.24 Vertical Applications TAG March 2019 Vancouver, BC, Canada Submission Slide 1 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 802.24 Overview Officers TAG Chair: Secretary & TAG Vice Chair: Task Groups 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG 802.24.2 IoT TG 26 Voting Members Agenda: 24-19-0007-00 Meetings for the Week Tuesday PM2 Wednesday PM2 Thursday PM2 Tim Godfrey Ben Rolfe Tim Godfrey Chris DiMinico 24.1 24.2 24.1 Manual attendance tracking for 802.1 & 802.3 members Submission Slide 2
Agenda 802.24-19-0007r0 March 2019 802.24 Agenda - March 2019, Vancouver, BC, Canada doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 24-19-0007-00-0000 1 Monday PM2 session 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 Call session to order, present Guidelines for IEEE SA meetings , Quorum Review of Agenda / Approval of Agenda Approve minutes from prior TAG meeting Introduction/meeting objectives / Review action items from previous meeting Liaison Review 802.24.1 Smart Grid Task Group ITU and regulatory items Godfrey Godfrey Godfrey Godfrey Godfrey Godfrey 5 5 5 5 4:00 PM 4:05 PM 4:10 PM 4:15 PM 4:20 PM 4:35 PM 15 0 Godfrey/Holcomb Godfrey / Das Godfrey Godfrey 15 30 20 4:35 PM 4:50 PM 5:20 PM 5:40 PM 1.8 1.9 2 Collaboration with 802.21: 'Network Enablers for Seamless HMD-based VR (Virtual Reality) Review any comments and finalize TSN White Paper Recess 0 2 Tuesday PM2 session 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 Call to Order 802.24 TAG Progressing "Network Integration" concept into a project Call to Order 802.24.2 IoT Task Group 802.24.2 Liaison Coordinator's Report Godfrey Godfrey DiMinico DiMinico 0 4:00 PM 4:30 PM 5:00 PM 5:00 PM 30 0 15 Review of IoT white paper development, expanding scope and participation Single Pair Ethernet White Paper Recess Joint Meeting with 802.1 TSN DiMinico/Godfrey DiMinico Godfrey 15 15 0 5:15 PM 5:30 PM 5:45 PM 2.6 2.7 2.8 Godfrey/Farkas 30 6:00 PM 3 Wednesday PM2 session 3.1 3.2 Call to Order 802.24 TAG Godfrey 0 4:00 PM Liaison with ATIS TOPS Council IoT Categorization Focus Group - review and comment on IoT Characteristics Matrix Low Latency White Paper Liasion Discussion of IEC SEG8 report "Monitoring and impact assessment of emerging technologies and architectures" Godfrey Holland 40 30 4:00 PM 4:40 PM 3.3 3.4 Godfrey Godfrey/Rolfe Godfrey Godfrey 15 15 10 5:10 PM 5:25 PM 5:40 PM 5:50 PM 3.5 3.6 3.7 Coordination with 802.19 on 802.15.4g and 802.11ah Coexistence project 802.24 New Action Items, New Activities, AOB Adjourn 0 Submission Slide 3 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 Guidelines for IEEE-SA Meetings All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. Don t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims. Don t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions. Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings. Technical considerations remain primary focus Don t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets. Don t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Don t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed do formally object. --------------------------------------------------------------- If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at patcom@ieee.org or visit http://standards.ieee.org/about/sasb/patcom/index.html See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy for more details. This slide set is available at https://development.standards.ieee.org/myproject/Public/mytools/mob/preparslides.ppt Submission IEEE 802 Executive Committee
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 Participation in IEEE 802 Meetings Participation in any IEEE 802 meeting (Sponsor, Sponsor subgroup, Working Group, Working Group subgroup, etc.) is on an individual basis Participants in the IEEE standards development individual process shall act based on their qualifications and experience. (https://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws.pdf section 5.2.1) IEEE 802 Working Group membership is by individual; Working Group members shall participate in the consensus process in a manner consistent with their professional expert opinion as individuals, and not as organizational representatives . (subclause 4.2.1 Establishment , of the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures) Participants have an obligation to act and vote as an individual and not under the direction of any other individual or group. A Participant s obligation to act and vote as an individual applies in all cases, regardless of any external commitments, agreements, contracts, or orders. Participants shall not direct the actions or votes of any other member of an IEEE 802 Working Group or retaliate against any other member for their actions or votes within IEEE 802 Working Group meetings, see https://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws.pdf section 5.2.1.3 and the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures, subclause 3.4.1 Chair , list item x. By participating in IEEE 802 meetings, you accept these requirements. If you do not agree to these policies then you shall not participate. (Latest revision of IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures: http://www.ieee802.org/devdocs.shtml ) Submission Slide 5 IEEE 802 Executive Committee
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 Administration Attendance take on IMAT Reciprocal rights for most WGs Web page http://www.ieee802.org/24 Mailing list stds-802-24@listserv.ieee.org 802-24-voters@listserv.ieee.org (voters list) Document archive http://mentor.ieee.org/802.24/documents IEEE 802 announcement reflector, stds-802-all@listserv.ieee.org Send email to listserv@listserv.ieee.org with no subject and with the following 2 lines appearing first in the body of the message Subscribe stds-802-all end Submission Slide 6 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 802.24 TAG Approve January minutes 24-19-0005r0 TAG Action Items from January: Announce IoT Matrix teleconference on reflector, with call for comments (done) Re-announce TSN white paper call for comments for March meeting (Done) Submission Slide 7 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 Tuesday 802.24.1 Smart Grid TG Submission Slide 8 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 ITU and Radio Regulatory Items Update from 802.18 Jay Holcomb Discussion: Ireland consultation on 400 MHz Further Consultation on the Release of the 410 415.5 / 420 425.5 MHz Sub-band ComReg 18/92 Spectrum to be auctioned, both for LTE and in small segments of 100 KHz. Potential for 802.15.4g in this? similar to purposed licensed spectrum in China and elsewhere. Also 15.4g can operate in Part 90 and Part 101 FCC spectrum. This is just Ireland: will this lead to further similar actions in other regulatory areas? 1.4 GHz spectrum recently announced is being used for telemetry in oil/gas industry with 802.16s Traditional license model geographic ownership Part 90 Submission Slide 9 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 Collaboration with 802.21 AR/VR Vertical Applications 'Network Enablers for Seamless HMD-based VR (Virtual Reality) Subir Das 21-19-0009-01-0000 Was presented in 802.11 and 802.15. Subject of discussion Vertical Applications Collaboration Opportunities Relates to activities in Real-time. New activity just starting on Real Time (by Oliver Holland) Will include text contributions in March 2019. Submission Slide 10 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 Goals for AR/VR collaboration in 802.24 IEEE 802 can create a community for developing a suite of capabilities suited for this class of applications Moving the focus from maximizing throughput only to also consider quality of experience and reliability. Build on 802.24 Low Latency White Paper Broadly define the set of applications (vertical and otherwise) around bounded / low latency Look at the VR architecture diagram and consider the appropriate standard for each link. They will be a mix of wireless and wired. IEEE 802 could provide comparable services to what is promised by 5G. Submission Slide 11 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 Goals for AR/VR collaboration in 802.24 802.21 plans to provide the services layer above the MAC/PHY AR/VR is an identified vertical application for Smart Grid (electric utilities) for field force, safety, and training 802.24 will liaise to other WGs if they develop amendments to their standards to support RTC. 802.21 will provide input on requirements to WGs Vertical Application areas can provide input on specific use cases Include representatives from related activities in other WG s 802.24 will provide a venue for collaboration (joint meetings) at Plenary Submission Slide 12 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 TSN White Paper Comment Collection The 802.24 TAG and 802.1 TSN TG solicit comments on 802.24-18-0011-00-sgtg "Utility Applications of Time Sensitive Networking White Paper" Comment submittal spreadsheet provided No comments as of end of February. If none, have final review with 802.1 and move to IEEE for publishing. Submission Slide 13 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 Wednesday 802.24 TAG Submission Slide 14 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 Network Integration action item Action assigned from 802 EC leadership conference in July. Discussion on role and positioning of IEEE 802 in standards, especially with respect to 3GPP and the publicity on 5G What is meant by Network Integration? Does the IEEE 802 architecture provide a unique value to vertical market? Is IEEE 802 more suited to deployment in the communication infrastructure of private enterprise, industry, and the individual user? (Compared to 3GPP, which is more oriented towards service providers?) The IEEE 802 architecture enables networks that are like Ethernet: Well understood, mature, predictable. A cleaner integration of disparate technologies under the common architecture and addressing. Can we develop a clearer definition and description of this distinction and the value for the user / implementer? Can this be developed into a white paper? Submission Slide 15 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 Review of 802.1CF in this context November Presentation Max Riegel Thoughts on IEEE 802 network integration with respect to P802.1CF 24-18-0026r0 Discussion Based on many discussions of the place of 802.11 in 5G. 5G SC Conclusions AANI integrating 802.11 into 5G domain. Nothing corresponding in 3GPP Industry connections NENDICA Flexible Factory IoT, Data Center Bridging What s missing a picture of 802 as a peer to 5G 5G promises they will do everything But, they don t do anything wired 5G requires an extensive PLMN to support it. It is designed to help the cellular operator grow their market Verticals might not want an operator in the middle of their network Value proposition: 802 networks are customer-owned Example Santa Clara Emergency services issues Submission Slide 16 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 Next Steps Do we pursue a white paper in this area? Submission Slide 17 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 Wednesday 802.24.2 IoT TG Submission Slide 18 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 802.24.2 802.24.2 Liaison Coordinator's Report Submission Slide 19 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 802.24.2 White Paper Status and development of IoT White paper 802.24-17-0036r2 Ludwig is developing some related materials. Can we pull new developments from P2413 into this white paper? Submission Slide 20 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 Building engagement in TG2 IoT Discussion on plan and new activities for IoT task group and broader engagement What are the IoT activities in IEEE 802? 802.15.4 Wi-SUN is going after IoT in addition to Smart Grid 802.15.4w LPWA another IoT focus 802.11ah (Halow), 802.11ba (WUR) Can we find volunteers to contribute to IoT white paper? Submission Slide 21 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 Single Pair Ethernet white paper Review Start Single Pair Ethernet white paper through IEEE process 802.24-18-0011r0 Comment collection on reflector TIA and IEC standards related to SPE and IoT TIA TR42 report to 802.3, ISO IEC SC25 Power over Ethernet UL and NEC are getting involved Submission Slide 22 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 Recess until 18:00 Then Joint meeting with 802.1 TSN Submission Slide 23 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 Thursday 802.24 TAG Submission Slide 24 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 Liaison with ATIS TOPS Council IoT Categorization Focus Group doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 ATIS: Alliance for Telecommunications Industry Solutions Review and comment on IoT Characteristics Matrix provided by ATIS Goal complete review and comments, return to ATIS this week. Submission Slide 25 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 Low latency White Paper Achieving low latency with IEEE 802 standards Including wired and wireless communications An alternative (or complement) to 5G URLLC A set of vertical applications enabled by low latency The challenges of reliable low latency in unlicensed spectrum. Adapting TSN s FRER feature Adapting 802 wireless to licensed spectrum? Operating over multiple bands or channels? Special cases for high data rates for immersive video Oliver Holland to lead white paper development Submission Slide 26 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 Liaison with IEC SEG8 Scope of SEG8: Assess, provide an overview and prioritization of the evolution of technical development and standardization in the field of communication technologies and architectures The report includes aspects relevant to both Smart Grid and IoT. Document shared in 802.24 Private Area IEC_SEG8_Deliverable2_draft_181118_ext_clean.pdf Updated version uploaded to private area with annotations Key chapters relevant to input from 802.24 IoT Technologies Single-pair Ethernet (SPE) Deterministic Networking Low-Power Wide-Area Networks (LPWAN) V2V, V2I, V2P and V2N communication technologies Final Opportunity to review and comment as SEG8 is finishing in next few months Submission Slide 27 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 802.15.4g and 802.11ah Coexistence (802.19.3) 802.24 will develop a whitepaper/document for application-specific use cases. Identifying where each standard is most suitable, and how to make best use of other changes. Identify use cases where 802.15.4g is not sufficient and both are needed Could be choices of applications, channel guidelines, duty cycle, Avoid perception that 802 standards are unable to coexist Evaluate and describe potential application-level implications of delay/latency increases due to mutual interference Submission Slide 28 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 2019 TAG Activity Plan Low latency White Paper Start in March Include 802.21 AR/VR activity Nendica FFIOT might also fit into this A whitepaper/document for application-specific use cases of Sub 1GHz standards 802.15.4g and 802.11ah. Identifying where each standard is most suitable, and how to make best use of mechanisms proposed in 802.19.3 TG. Can this also include applying 802.15.4s in sub-1GHz spectrum? TBD 802.24 white paper on IoT and P2413 Update of first Smart Grid white paper to address latest amendments of 802.15.4 u, v, w, x, y Submission Slide 29 Tim Godfrey, EPRI
March 2019 doc.: IEEE 802.24-19-0008r0 802.24 TAG closing Action Items from this meeting Any New Business? Submission Slide 30 Tim Godfrey, EPRI