Investment Journey

Investment Journey
Dream Phase (2006-2009)
Managed to capture both upside 2006-2007…and downside 2008
Made good amount of money then…
Couldn’t differentiate between greed and confidence…..
Mistaking Luck with Skill
Tough Phase (2010-2013)
Losses started with big levered bet on single stock (which had client
concentration risk)
Options bet goes sour with lack of volatility…Losses accumulate….Fear was
now dominating as an emotion…
Repayment of the losses was tough….
Timely help….and time for reflection…
Losses and repaying the same
Reflection and Learning
Trading is difficult because it constantly seek you to work against basic
human nature….Investment is far more forgiving and kind 
Trading was not worth for the kind of risk and stress taken…
In context of Investments...it wasn’t time-bound and relatively
peaceful…Even during tough period 2011-2013….there were several stocks
which did well…
Investment Journey Begins….(2013…)
Personality Traits
       High Focus on Risk
       Concentrated Bets. Top 4-5 stocks would account for 60-70% of PF.  So far haven’t held
more than 15 stocks at any given point in time.
      Typically look for very high Risk-Reward (3-1) - We tend to under-estimate risk and over-
estimate returns. Risk profile has to be really convincing to go outside above.
       Don’t mind taking big bets on high conviction.
       Love market as there are no set rules to make money – Non – Linear correlation
between Stock price and Underlying business makes it extremely interesting.
Lucky to start at the right time….2013 end
Most Excited By
   Growth Companies
Clean balance sheet with growth visibility, while downside protection
from historical numbers/data.
 Basically Ideas with optionality.
 Capex undertaken without diluting balance sheet quality. Add to that
incremental growth without stretching WC cycle.  (Lactose India, Dai-Ichi
Karkaria Ltd, Dynemic Products, Innovative Tech Pack)
Love identifying not so known names, though holding them could be emotionally
uncomfortable
Most Excited By…
    
Stressed Assets
     
Market pricing in worst, while getting clarity on delta in terms of
improving leverage, profitability, improving WC, ramp up in capacity
utilization ,etc (Steelcast, IMFA, Kamat Hotels, Sugar Stocks)
    
Sheer Undervaluation
      Getting rough sense on asset value. However management quality
becomes key for it to become monetizable. (Pudumjee Pulp)
Ignorables/Not Ignorables
    Ignorables
     Stretching Balance Sheet for Asset Building (Steelcast, Stylam)
     Steelcast – Cyclical upturn will take care of leverage.
     Stylam – Strong sector tailwind takes care of relatively higher debt
     
Diworsification
     If not material &/or acknowledged by management.
     Stylam (BPO Venture)
     
Management Meeting
    
Non Ignorables
      Frequent Dillutions
      Stretched Working Capital
      Growth Without Cashflow Generation
Mistakes
    Omission
    
Binny Ltd – Avoided purely on related party  transaction, missing big gap
between asset  value and market cap.
    Commission
    
Gujarat NRE Coke – Tried playing like IMFA ignoring key variables like owned
mines, low promoter holding (largely pledged), promoters checkered past, etc
       Learning – Greed overtook rationality given the way IMFA moved post my
selling (sold @ 2x…went 5x).
When to Sell
Realize that very small number of small/micro caps will go beyond Rs 5bn
market cap sustainably. Hence, start booking partly once known variable
in terms of growth, expected valuation starts getting priced in.
Sell in staggered manner.  Allow part of the holding to ride the growth
momentum. Haven’t spend enough time in investing to experience riding
big compounders.
Have mostly repented selling…Since markets have been way too kind to
small/micro caps.
Thanks…
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Explore the journey of a seasoned investor through different phases, from initial mistakes to valuable reflections, leading to a distinctive investment approach focused on risk and growth opportunities. Discover the emotional and strategic evolution that shaped a successful investment journey.

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  • Learnings
  • Strategies

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  1. Investment Journey

  2. Dream Phase (2006-2009) Mistaking Luck with Skill Managed to capture both upside 2006-2007 and downside 2008 Made good amount of money then Couldn t differentiate between greed and confidence ..

  3. Tough Phase (2010-2013) Losses and repaying the same Losses started with big levered bet on single stock (which had client concentration risk) Options bet goes sour with lack of volatility Losses accumulate .Fear was now dominating as an emotion Repayment of the losses was tough . Timely help .and time for reflection

  4. Reflection and Learning Trading is difficult because it constantly seek you to work against basic human nature .Investment is far more forgiving and kind Trading was not worth for the kind of risk and stress taken In context of Investments...it wasn t time-bound and relatively peaceful Even during tough period 2011-2013 .there were several stocks which did well

  5. Investment Journey Begins.(2013) Lucky to start at the right time .2013 end Personality Traits High Focus on Risk Concentrated Bets. Top 4-5 stocks would account for 60-70% of PF. So far haven t held more than 15 stocks at any given point in time. Typically look for very high Risk-Reward (3-1) - We tend to under-estimate risk and over- estimate returns. Risk profile has to be really convincing to go outside above. Don t mind taking big bets on high conviction. Love market as there are no set rules to make money Non Linear correlation between Stock price and Underlying business makes it extremely interesting.

  6. Most Excited By Love identifying not so known names, though holding them could be emotionally uncomfortable Growth Companies Clean balance sheet with growth visibility, while downside protection from historical numbers/data. Basically Ideas with optionality. Capex undertaken without diluting balance sheet quality. Add to that incremental growth without stretching WC cycle. (Lactose India, Dai-Ichi Karkaria Ltd, Dynemic Products, Innovative Tech Pack)

  7. Most Excited By Stressed Assets Market pricing in worst, while getting clarity on delta in terms of improving leverage, profitability, improving WC, ramp up in capacity utilization ,etc (Steelcast, IMFA, Kamat Hotels, Sugar Stocks) Sheer Undervaluation Getting rough sense on asset value. However management quality becomes key for it to become monetizable. (Pudumjee Pulp)

  8. Ignorables/Not Ignorables Ignorables Stretching Balance Sheet for Asset Building (Steelcast, Stylam) Steelcast Cyclical upturn will take care of leverage. Stylam Strong sector tailwind takes care of relatively higher debt Diworsification If not material &/or acknowledged by management. Stylam (BPO Venture) Management Meeting Non Ignorables Frequent Dillutions Stretched Working Capital Growth Without Cashflow Generation

  9. Mistakes Omission Binny Ltd Avoided purely on related party transaction, missing big gap between asset value and market cap. Commission Gujarat NRE Coke Tried playing like IMFA ignoring key variables like owned mines, low promoter holding (largely pledged), promoters checkered past, etc Learning Greed overtook rationality given the way IMFA moved post my selling (sold @ 2x went 5x).

  10. When to Sell Realize that very small number of small/micro caps will go beyond Rs 5bn market cap sustainably. Hence, start booking partly once known variable in terms of growth, expected valuation starts getting priced in. Sell in staggered manner. Allow part of the holding to ride the growth momentum. Haven t spend enough time in investing to experience riding big compounders. Have mostly repented selling Since markets have been way too kind to small/micro caps.

  11. Thanks

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