Insights into Seneca the Younger and His Philosophical Tragedies

 
Beyond tragic
vulnerability:
Seneca’s
Thyestes 
(I)
 
Vulnerable Body Term 2, lecture 4
 
Seneca the Younger
Key dates/facts, 4BCE-56CE
 
Born btw 4 and 1 BCE (Cordoba, Spain)
Son of Seneca the Elder, uncle of poet Lucan.
c.19CE, began to embrace philosophy.
31: began a political career, making rapid progress.
41: banished by Claudius to Corsica
49: recalled after Messalina overthrown. Takes up role as
Nero’s tutor
54: Claudius dies, Nero becomes emperor, Seneca
becomes official speechwriter.
56: Seneca takes Suffect Consulship
 
Surviving
Works
 
Philosophical prose
De clementia, De beneficiis, De constantia
sapientis, De tranquillitate animi, De otio, De vita
beata, Epistulae Morales ad Lucilium, Naturales
Quaestiones.
 
Satire
Apocolocyntosis
 
Tragedy
Branch E
: 
Hercules Furens, Troades, Phoenissae,
Medea, Phaedra, Oedipus, Agamemnon,
Thyestes, Hercules Oetaeus
.
Branch A
: above 9 plays in a different order, plus
the historical tragedy 
Octavia
 (with 
Hercules
Oetaeus
, not thought to be by Seneca)
 
57-65CE
 
55
: Nero murders Britannicus
59: Nero murders Agrippina
62
: Burrus dies in mysterious circumstances
62
: Seneca requests permission to retire
64: disastrous fire of Rome
65
: the plot against Nero led by C.Calpurnius
Piso discovered, Seneca forced to suicide
 
The death of Seneca
(Rubens 1612)
 
Issues in
the study
of
Senecan
tragedy
 
Philosophical tragedy?
 
Stoic imperturbability is put to the test as
characters are torn apart by their emotions.
Indictment of Stoicism’s failure to account for
the world as it is?
Stoicism taken to extreme? E.g. Medea/Atreus
as the monstrous, perverted Stoic?
Or does Seneca paint portraits of Stoic 
failures,
figures who misinterpret Stoic teachings?
 
Tantalus
(Gioacchino Assereto 1630s/40s)
 
Precedents
 for Seneca’s 
Thyestes
 
Sophocles wrote an
 Atreus 
and a 
Thyestes in
Sicyon
.
Euripides wrote a 
Thyestes 
and a
 Plisthenes
Ennius wrote a 
Thyestes
 and Accius an
 Atreus
.
Varius Rufus’ 
Thyestes 
is
 
known from the
Augustan period (apparently staged as part of
Octavian’s triumph after Actium).
An Atreus by Pomponius Secundus was
possibly written within a few years of Seneca’s
play.
 
Vulnerable
bodies?
 
Atreus asserts his supreme power
by 
reducing Thyestes to the
ontological status of a woman
, or a
female/feminized body, at her
most vulnerable
.
 
I.e. Thyestes is transformed,
without his consent, into a
pregnant, labouring body 
which
cannot ‘give birth’.
 
Atreus is reacting to 
threats to his
own masculinity,
 which he
perceives as inflicting an
intolerable vulnerability
.
Significantly, his inspiration is
Procne and Philomela’s revenge on
Tereus, told by Ovid in
Metamorphoses
 6
 
A play about (the threat of)
desire and appetite
 
Invulnerability
 = male rhetorical and political
power, artistic (self-)control and mastery, control
over reproduction (i.e. women) and paternity.
 
Vulnerability
 = a crisis of language,  inarticulacy,
wound, collapsed leadership,  male artistic
failure, loss of control over reproduction,
penetrability.
 
Spectatorship
and guilt
 
Do we participate vicariously in the
humiliation and dehumanisation of
Thyestes?
 
Do we admire Atreus, far more than
we sympathise with his victim? What
is it to 
enjoy
 this play?
 
Does the play prompt us to find
vulnerability disgusting? Repulsive?
Horrific?
 
What the body knows
 
Will Atreus’ transcendence of the bodily realm really seal his invincible power?
 
And is Thyestes’ error that he did not listen to his body?
 
 
Th
.999-103:
What is this turmoil that shakes my guts? What trembles inside me? I feel a
restless burden, and my breast groans with groaning not my own. Come sons,
yours unhappy father calls you, come! Once I see you this pain will vanish. They
interrupt, but from where?
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Explore the life and works of Seneca the Younger, a prominent Roman philosopher, and playwright. Delve into his tragedies, such as Thyestes, and contemplate the intersection of politics, philosophy, and allegory in his works. Witness the challenging of Stoic principles and the portrayal of characters torn apart by their emotions. Embrace the rich tapestry of Seneca's legacy through his surviving works and historical events that shaped his tumultuous life.

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  1. Beyond tragic vulnerability: Seneca s Thyestes (I) Vulnerable Body Term 2, lecture 4

  2. Seneca the Younger Key dates/facts, 4BCE-56CE Born btw 4 and 1 BCE (Cordoba, Spain) Son of Seneca the Elder, uncle of poet Lucan. c.19CE, began to embrace philosophy. 31: began a political career, making rapid progress. 41: banished by Claudius to Corsica 49: recalled after Messalina overthrown. Takes up role as Nero s tutor 54: Claudius dies, Nero becomes emperor, Seneca becomes official speechwriter. 56: Seneca takes Suffect Consulship

  3. De clementia, De beneficiis, De constantia sapientis, De tranquillitate animi, De otio, De vita beata, Epistulae Morales ad Lucilium, Naturales Quaestiones. Philosophical prose Apocolocyntosis Surviving Works Satire Branch E: Hercules Furens, Troades, Phoenissae, Medea, Phaedra, Oedipus, Agamemnon, Thyestes, Hercules Oetaeus. Branch A: above 9 plays in a different order, plus the historical tragedy Octavia (with Hercules Oetaeus, not thought to be by Seneca) Tragedy

  4. 57-65CE 55: Nero murders Britannicus 59: Nero murders Agrippina 62: Burrus dies in mysterious circumstances 62: Seneca requests permission to retire 64: disastrous fire of Rome 65: the plot against Nero led by C.Calpurnius Piso discovered, Seneca forced to suicide

  5. The death of Seneca (Rubens 1612)

  6. How political/allegorical is it? Issues in the study of Senecan tragedy Were these plays actually performed, or (not) intended to be performed? Tragedy and philosophy Style and dramatic form: tradition and innovation Intertextuality

  7. Philosophical tragedy? Stoic imperturbability is put to the test as characters are torn apart by their emotions. Indictment of Stoicism s failure to account for the world as it is? Stoicism taken to extreme? E.g. Medea/Atreus as the monstrous, perverted Stoic? Or does Seneca paint portraits of Stoic failures, figures who misinterpret Stoic teachings?

  8. Tantalus (Gioacchino Assereto 1630s/40s)

  9. Precedents for Senecas Thyestes Sophocles wrote an Atreus and a Thyestes in Sicyon. Euripides wrote a Thyestes and a Plisthenes Ennius wrote a Thyestes and Accius an Atreus. Varius Rufus Thyestes is known from the Augustan period (apparently staged as part of Octavian s triumph after Actium). An Atreus by Pomponius Secundus was possibly written within a few years of Seneca s play.

  10. Atreus asserts his supreme power by reducing Thyestes to the ontological status of a woman, or a female/feminized body, at her most vulnerable. I.e. Thyestes is transformed, without his consent, into a pregnant, labouring body which cannot give birth . Vulnerable bodies? Atreus is reacting to threats to his own masculinity, which he perceives as inflicting an intolerable vulnerability. Significantly, his inspiration is Procne and Philomela s revenge on Tereus, told by Ovid in Metamorphoses 6

  11. A play about (the threat of) desire and appetite Invulnerability = male rhetorical and political power, artistic (self-)control and mastery, control over reproduction (i.e. women) and paternity. Vulnerability = a crisis of language, inarticulacy, wound, collapsed leadership, male artistic failure, loss of control over reproduction, penetrability.

  12. Spectatorship and guilt Do we participate vicariously in the humiliation and dehumanisation of Thyestes? Do we admire Atreus, far more than we sympathise with his victim? What is it to enjoy this play? Does the play prompt us to find vulnerability disgusting? Repulsive? Horrific?

  13. What the body knows Will Atreus transcendence of the bodily realm really seal his invincible power? And is Thyestes error that he did not listen to his body? What is this turmoil that shakes my guts? What trembles inside me? I feel a restless burden, and my breast groans with groaning not my own. Come sons, yours unhappy father calls you, come! Once I see you this pain will vanish. They interrupt, but from where? Th.999-103:

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