A Theoretical Conversation: Paul and Zoe’s Encounter

 
 
 
A theoretical conversation
 
“ Two strangers meet in 
a bar
 and…”
First,  imagine if the world of politics
came alive …as a single person
 
No… not HIM!
 
Let’s call this person… 
“Paul”
 
 
 
 
 
Politics
personified
 
Now, let’s imagine the
world of zoo decision
makers symbolised as one
single person… Let’s call
her…
“Zoe”
 
So Paul and Zoe bump into one another in
a bar as strangers. Killing time, they strike
up a conversation …
 
… What
 would they have to talk
about…?
You know… I  
(i.e. 
“zoos
personified
”) 
do 
really
important work
around biodiversity
and conservation…
 
Zoe takes a sip from her glass, and
would probably start with…
 Not a political
priority….  Not really
sure where to go
with this.
 
Paul smiles back politely,
and says…
But 
thinks
Great…. Really
interesting…
 
So then Zoe says…
I have 150 million
visitors… and they come
from 
all 
aspects of
society, not just the well
educated middle classes
 
Paul looks up, a sudden glimmer in his
eye…
 
 
So you zoos are a way to
communicate to all the
people who elect 
ME
?!
AND
 who pay taxes… 
AND
to whom I need to get all
kinds of messages..
 
 Now you are
talking!
Tell me more
Well, I am
 an
important part of
the tourism and
leisure industry
 
So, encouraged by this, Zoe
continues…
 
In reply Paul will
certainly 
say
 
How important is tourism
really…? More excited by
advanced manufacturing,
bio-technology…. digital
industries
Government is 
fully
in support 
of our
wonderful tourism
industry
 
but, 
depending
 on
the country
,  
may
actually
 
think
On the whole I am
financially sustainable.
Here today, and here
tomorrow. Been
around for nearly 2
centuries…  No
‘feasibility study’
needed here
 
 So then
Zoe
tries…
Now Paul
draws his
chair closer
to Zoe
Hmm… So 
not 
the kind of
organisation that needs
constant propping up… a
stable 
vehicle for all kinds
of programmes or
messages
UNLIKE
 all those 
‘worthy’
high culture
organisations that keep
coming back to me again
and again for money…
Nearly everything I
do  is connected to
 science
 
Zoe pitches…
 
Paul gives a 
‘tell me something new’
type
 
shrug.…
 Well sure, I know  –
you mean zoology,
veterinary science
and all that kind of
“…animally  stuff… “
 
But Zoe cuts him off…
 N
ot just 
zoology, or even
‘just’ biology.   Physics,
chemistry, mechanics,
maths  all lie beneath the
animal world. I can excite
young people into those
careers
And I can be a  
‘shop
window’
  for partner
universities …  placing
their huge value firmly in
front of the public… who,
after all, pay for them
 
And presses
home her
advantage
I can even help in the
business of innovation
and translation of raw
knowledge into
prosperity
 
Now she has the
wind behind her
sails…
and makes the
audacious claim
 
By this
time
Paul’s
mind is
working
furiously…
Helps my country’s science
base.  Helps my citizens
understand the importance of
universities and research . Helps
applied research to create
goods and services…
 
GOOD FIT with my policy
objectives
 
Perhaps  I‘ve been overlooking
something here..
Then there are my links
to other nations…zoos
are not only about
‘here’: 
they are
normally about 
there’
 
  Paul pretty much shrugs again,
glancing at his watch
 Well… yeah, yeah
you do a great job
telling visitors
about the
wonderful wildlife
of Africa, Asian and
Latin America
Getting a bit
bored again
now
 No, no... You don’t quite
understand...  Yes the
experiences  I offer 
do
start 
with the natural
heritage of those places…
 
Zoe
 But my projects can
move on to talk to my
visitors ( 
your 
voters)…
about the wider culture
of those countries… 
And
their societies  
And 
their
economies
 But my projects can
move on to talk to my
visitors 
(remember …
your
voters)… 
about the wider
culture of those
countries… 
And
 
their
societies  
And 
their
economies
And Paul thinks…
 So you can help my country
and my government makes
new types of science and
cultural links with emergent
super-economies   LIKE
CHINA!
 
 Which in turn can mean
more trade links …and not
just China.  India, Latin
America, Malaysia, Indonesia,
South Africa … !
 
This is the 
real
 prize for Paul here..
Hmmm…
 Then there is my social role….
Think of zoos as  large green
oases in the middle of society…
where all types of people mix
together… in volunteering,  in
community activities, in
confidence building
 a huge potential to create new
social capital’… 
to bring
divergent people together …
higher standards of mental,
social and physical wellbeing
 or to put it more plainly…
 
I TURN YOUR ELECTORATE
INTO  
 
HAPPIER  PEOPLE
 
 
 I have to mention
environmental
technology… water
conservation… energy
efficient buildings
 Where better to
introduce a huge
demographic to the
carbon neutral society of
the future…. Than my 250
sites across Europe where
people 
already
 come to
learn about the
environment
I  could probably go
on… but sometimes
‘less is more’
 
Zoes reins herself in a bit…
 
And Paul does indeed need a break
after all this, so he goes and orders
another round of drinks
Hmm …Lot to
think about…
 
 
When they sit down again,   the
shoe is in the other foot…
Zoe, can you guess what
is the 
single 
subject on
which I, as an elected
representative, get the
most letters..?
 Erm, Not sure…   Maybe
employment..?
housing..?
 
Zoe
Nope!
Animal welfare
And (rightly or wrongly)
quite a lot, I am afraid are
about 
you,
 Zoe!
You are not one of those
nice, easy, completely
uncontroversial
subjects….like, say,
museums or parks …. Or, I
dunno …. donkey
sanctuaries
And that 
‘Z – word’
sometimes makes it  a bit
difficult for me to support
you
Yeah, I get  those letters
too!
And yet the public vote
with their feet
The overall trend over the
last few decades is for
more 
people to attend
good zoos
Zoe sighs in resignation…
   But you are right.  There
is such a thing as a bad
zoo … certainly in the
past.  I have no reason to
be complacent
  But the thing is, Paul, I
am evolving…. And
pretty fast now…  there
all kinds of wonderful
innovations in all the
different bits of me
across Europe
  I would, after all, be a
pretty strange creature,
given my  links to this
guy’s ideas, if I did not
strive to change, and to
explore new ideas and
new ways of doing
things…
It is all coming
together..
 It strikes me Zoe, that with
my help you could evolve
faster and further… help me
with
 my 
agenda, whilst still
staying devoted to 
your
biodiversity mission
   
I really could not
have put it better
myself, Paul!
Think this  could be
the beginning of a
beautiful friendship
 
And Zoe goes on her way, thoughtfully…
Well that went
well … But
what’s the next
step?
 
Thanks for listening
John Regan,
Coordinator 
‘New Zoo’ 
movement
And apologies
 to anybody whose images I swi
ped from Google Images
http://www.newzoo.org.uk/
And,  by the
way, should you
ever want a
chat, mine
  is a gin &
tonic!
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Two strangers, Paul personifying politics and Zoe representing zoo decision makers, meet in a bar and engage in a thought-provoking conversation. Zoe highlights the importance of zoos in biodiversity conservation, while Paul discusses the priorities of politics and the role of different industries. Their exchange delves into the intersection of public communication, tourism, and governance.

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  1. A theoretical conversation Two strangers meet in a bar and

  2. First, imagine if the world of politics came alive as a single person No not HIM!

  3. Lets call this person Paul Politics personified

  4. Now, lets imagine the world of zoo decision makers symbolised as one single person Let s call her Zoe

  5. So Paul and Zoe bump into one another in a bar as strangers. Killing time, they strike up a conversation What would they have to talk about ?

  6. Zoe takes a sip from her glass, and would probably start with You know I (i.e. zoos personified ) do really important work around biodiversity and conservation

  7. Paul smiles back politely, and says Great . Really interesting But thinks Not a political priority . Not really sure where to go with this.

  8. So then Zoe says I have 150 million visitors and they come from all aspects of society, not just the well educated middle classes

  9. Paul looks up, a sudden glimmer in his eye So you zoos are a way to communicate to all the people who elect ME?! ANDwho pay taxes AND to whom I need to get all kinds of messages.. Now you are talking! Tell me more

  10. So, encouraged by this, Zoe continues Well, I am an important part of the tourism and leisure industry

  11. In reply Paul will certainly say but, depending on the country, may actually think Government is fully in support of our wonderful tourism industry How important is tourism really ? More excited by advanced manufacturing, bio-technology . digital industries

  12. So then Zoe tries On the whole I am financially sustainable. Here today, and here tomorrow. Been around for nearly 2 centuries No feasibility study needed here

  13. Hmm So not the kind of organisation that needs constant propping up a stable vehicle for all kinds of programmes or messages Now Paul draws his chair closer to Zoe UNLIKE all those worthy high culture organisations that keep coming back to me again and again for money

  14. Zoe pitches Nearly everything I do is connected to science

  15. Paul gives a tell me something new typeshrug. Well sure, I know you mean zoology, veterinary science and all that kind of animally stuff

  16. But Zoe cuts him off Not just zoology, or even just biology. Physics, chemistry, mechanics, maths all lie beneath the animal world. I can excite young people into those careers

  17. And presses home her advantage And I can be a shop window for partner universities placing their huge value firmly in front of the public who, after all, pay for them

  18. Now she has the wind behind her sails I can even help in the business of innovation and translation of raw knowledge into prosperity and makes the audacious claim

  19. By this time Paul s mind is working furiously Helps my country s science base. Helps my citizens understand the importance of universities and research . Helps applied research to create goods and services GOOD FIT with my policy objectives Perhaps I ve been overlooking something here..

  20. Then there are my links to other nations zoos are not only about here : they are normally about there

  21. Paul pretty much shrugs again, glancing at his watch Well yeah, yeah you do a great job telling visitors about the wonderful wildlife of Africa, Asian and Latin America Getting a bit bored again now

  22. Zoe No, no... You don t quite understand... Yes the experiences I offer do start with the natural heritage of those places

  23. But my projects can move on to talk to my visitors (remember your voters) about the wider culture of those countries Andtheir societies And their But my projects can move on to talk to my visitors ( your voters) about the wider culture of those countries And their societies And their economies economies

  24. And Paul thinks So you can help my country and my government makes new types of science and cultural links with emergent super-economies LIKE CHINA! Which in turn can mean more trade links and not just China. India, Latin America, Malaysia, Indonesia, South Africa !

  25. This is the real prize for Paul here.. Hmmm

  26. Then there is my social role. Think of zoos as large green oases in the middle of society where all types of people mix together in volunteering, in community activities, in confidence building a huge potential to create new social capital to bring divergent people together higher standards of mental, social and physical wellbeing or to put it more plainly I TURN YOUR ELECTORATE INTO HAPPIER PEOPLE

  27. Where better to introduce a huge demographic to the carbon neutral society of the future . Than my 250 sites across Europe where I have to mention environmental technology water conservation energy efficient buildings people already come to learn about the environment

  28. Zoes reins herself in a bit I could probably go on but sometimes less is more

  29. And Paul does indeed need a break after all this, so he goes and orders another round of drinks Hmm Lot to think about

  30. When they sit down again, the shoe is in the other foot Zoe, can you guess what is the single subject on which I, as an elected representative, get the most letters..?

  31. Zoe Erm, Not sure Maybe employment..? housing..?

  32. You are not one of those nice, easy, completely And that Z word sometimes makes it a bit difficult for me to support you Nope! Animal welfare uncontroversial subjects .like, say, museums or parks . Or, I dunno . donkey sanctuaries And (rightly or wrongly) quite a lot, I am afraid are about you, Zoe!

  33. Zoe sighs in resignation Yeah, I get those letters too! And yet the public vote with their feet The overall trend over the last few decades is for more people to attend good zoos But you are right. There is such a thing as a bad zoo certainly in the past. I have no reason to be complacent

  34. I would, after all, be a pretty strange creature, given my links to this guy s ideas, if I did not strive to change, and to explore new ideas and But the thing is, Paul, I am evolving . And pretty fast now there all kinds of wonderful innovations in all the different bits of me across Europe new ways of doing things

  35. It is all coming together.. Access to voters A type of organisation especially open to imaginative change Financially stable platform Raises gross national happiness Help with links to trade partners Promotes sciences, universities and innovation

  36. It strikes me Zoe, that with my help you could evolve faster and further help me with my agenda, whilst still staying devoted to your biodiversity mission I really could not have put it better myself, Paul! Think this could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship

  37. And Zoe goes on her way, thoughtfully Well that went well But what s the next step?

  38. Thanks for listening John Regan, Coordinator New Zoo movement And, by the way, should you ever want a chat, mine is a gin & tonic! And apologies to anybody whose images I swiped from Google Images http://www.newzoo.org.uk/

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