IEEE 802.11-24/0479r1 AMP PAR/CSD Comments and Resolutions
This document presents comments and resolutions for the IEEE 802.11-24/0479r1 AMP PAR/CSD documents from various groups. It includes feedback on project scope, stakeholder identification, and the need for the project, along with proposed resolutions. The document addresses readability suggestions and updates to ensure clarity and coherence.
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Mar 2024 doc.: IEEE 802.11-24/0479r1 IEEE 802.11 AMP PAR/CSD Comments and Resolutions Date: 2024-03-07 Author: Name Bo Sun Affiliation Address Sanechips Phone Email Sun.bo1@sanechips.com.cn Report Slide 1 Bo Sun (Sanechips)
Mar 2024 doc.: IEEE 802.11-24/0479r1 Abstract This document contains comments collected for AMP PAR/CSD documents and the resolution proposed by AMP SG 9 PAR comments and 10 CSD comments from 802.3 4 PAR comments from NesCom Resolutions are proposed for group discussion PAR and CSD documents under review: PAR: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/23/11-23-1006-05-0amp-ieee-802-11- amp-sg-proposed-par.docx CSD: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/23/11-23-1212-03-0amp-ieee-802-11- amp-sg-proposed-csd.docx Report Slide 2 Bo Sun (Sanechips)
Mar 2024 doc.: IEEE 802.11-24/0479r1 PAR Comments From IEEE 802.3 WG Comments PC1 Comments: 5.2.b Scope of the project: Readability suggestion: '... to enable operation of an Ambient Power ...' to '... to enable the operation of an Ambient Power ...' Resolution: Accepted and the AMP PAR document will be updated accordingly Comments PC2 Comments: 5.2.b Scope of the project: Readability suggestion: '... mechanisms for coexistence ...' to '... mechanisms for the coexistence ...' Resolution: Accepted and the AMP PAR document will be updated accordingly Report Slide 3 Bo Sun (Sanechips)
Mar 2024 doc.: IEEE 802.11-24/0479r1 PAR Comments From IEEE 802.3 WG Comments PC3 Comments: 5.5 Need for the Project: Readability suggestion: '... due to requirements to maintenance-free ...' to '... due to requirements to be maintenance-free ...' Resolution: Accepted and the AMP PAR document will change the text to ... due to requirements for maintenance-free operation Comments PC4 Comments: 5.5 Need for the Project: Readability suggestion: '... user experience in a negative way.' to '... user experience negatively.' Resolution: Accepted and the AMP PAR document will be updated accordingly Report Slide 4 Bo Sun (Sanechips)
Mar 2024 doc.: IEEE 802.11-24/0479r1 PAR Comments From IEEE 802.3 WG Comments PC5 Comments: 5.5 Need for the Project: Readability suggestion: '... huge amount of IoT devices ...' to '... huge number of IoT devices ...' Resolution: Accepted and the AMP PAR document will be updated accordingly Comments PC6 Comments: 5.6 Stakeholders of the Standard: Readability suggestion: Stakeholders also include component providers; consumer electronic, mobile device and IoT device vendors; IoT network operators; and manufacturers and users of semiconductor devices. Resolution: Accepted and the AMP PAR document will be updated accordingly Report Slide 5 Bo Sun (Sanechips)
Mar 2024 doc.: IEEE 802.11-24/0479r1 PAR Comments From IEEE 802.3 WG Comments PC7 Comments: 8.1 Additional Explanatory Notes: Readability suggestion: '... communication in sub-1 GHz band' to '... communication in the sub-1 GHz band'. Resolution: Accepted and the AMP PAR document will be updated accordingly Comments PC8 Comments: 8.1 Additional Explanatory Notes: Readability suggestion: '... communication in 2.4 GHz band' to '... communication in the 2.4 GHz band' Resolution: Accepted and the AMP PAR document will be updated accordingly Report Slide 6 Bo Sun (Sanechips)
Mar 2024 doc.: IEEE 802.11-24/0479r1 PAR Comments From IEEE 802.3 WG Comments PC9 Comments: 8.1 Additional Explanatory Notes: Readability suggestion: '... wireless power transfer in sub-1 GHz band' to '... wireless power transfer in the sub-1 GHz band' Resolution: Accepted and the AMP PAR document will be updated accordingly Report Slide 7 Bo Sun (Sanechips)
Mar 2024 doc.: IEEE 802.11-24/0479r1 PAR Comments From IEEE-SA NesCom Comments PC10 Comments: 5.2b and 8.1: " The first paragraph in 8.1 seems a part of the scope definition, i.e., belonging to 5.2.b. Suggest moving it to 5.2.b." Comments PC11 Comments: 5.2b: " May I suggest using "This amendment defines ...", instead of "... shall define ..."?" Comments PC12 Comments: 5.2b: You are kindly asked to consider rephrasing the last sentence of 5.2 as follows: This amendment defines mechanisms for coexistence of an AMP STA and deployed STAs compliant with IEEE Std 802.11 - 2020 that operate in the same radio frequency band as the AMP STA. Reason: A "shall" statement provides an instruction. However, 12.2.3 of <https://mentor.ieee.org/myproject/Public/mytools/draft/styleman.pdf> states that "The scope of the standard shall explain in statements of fact what is covered in the standard and, if necessary, what is not covered in the standard [ ]." Hence, a standard's/amendment's scope describes what is and not what shall be." Report Slide 8 Bo Sun (Sanechips)
Mar 2024 doc.: IEEE 802.11-24/0479r1 PAR Comments From IEEE-SA NesCom Dorothy has suggested resolutions to PC10 - PC12: Modify the text in 5.2.b to be as follows, and remove the related text in 8.1. "This amendment defines modifications to both the IEEE 802.11 Medium Access Control layer (MAC) and Physical Layers (PHY) to enable operation of an Ambient Power communication (AMP) station (STA) that is powered using energy harvesting. Operation in sub-1 Gigahertz (GHz) and 2.4 GHz is defined. Specifically, at least one mode of data communication in sub-1 GHz band is defined and at least one mode of data communication in 2.4 GHz band with the AMP communication access category (AC) being set to AC_BK (background) is defined. This amendment defines mechanisms for coexistence of an AMP STA and deployed STAs compliant with IEEE Std 802.11 -2020 that operate in the same radio frequency band as the AMP STA. " Report Slide 9 Bo Sun (Sanechips)
Mar 2024 doc.: IEEE 802.11-24/0479r1 PAR Comments From IEEE-SA NesCom Comments PC13 Comments: 5.4: " In Sec. 5.4, the second paragraph seems to apply to the Amendment for AMP, and seems to be missing a noun, such as "operations" after "requirements to maintenance-free, ....". Consider adding "operations" and changing "requirements to" to "requirements for", such as: "However, there are still many use cases and applications that cannot be addressed using existing IEEE 802.11 based WLAN IoT technologies due to requirements for maintenance-free operation, ultra-low complexity, very small size, very long lifecycle, and the limitations of conventional batteries."" Resolution (Dorothy suggested): Accepted and the AMP PAR document will be updated accordingly Report Slide 10 Bo Sun (Sanechips)
Mar 2024 doc.: IEEE 802.11-24/0479r1 CSD Comments From IEEE 802.3 WG Comments CC1 Comments: 1.2.1 Broad Market Potential: Item b multiple vendors and numerous users: There is no supporting information on the amount of interest from potential Task Force participants. For example, the number of people in the IEEE 802.11 Ambient Power (AMP) TIG/SG that would participate in the project, if approved. Resolution: Accepted. The AMP CSD document will be updated with supporting information on the amount of interest from potential participants. According to the participation during AMP TIG/SG, there will be around 50 experts participating in the project, if approved. Report Slide 11 Bo Sun (Sanechips)
Mar 2024 doc.: IEEE 802.11-24/0479r1 CSD Comments From IEEE 802.3 WG Comments CC2 Comments: 1.2.1 Broad Market Potential: Readability suggestion: 'AMP Communication tackles addresses ...' to 'AMP Communication addresses ...' or 'AMP Communication tackles...'. Resolution: Accepted and the AMP CSD document will change the text to AMP Communication tackles... . Comments CC3 Comments: 1.2.1 Broad Market Potential: Readability suggestion: '... to support creation of ...' to '... to support the creation of ...'. Resolution: Accepted and the AMP CSD document will be updated accordingly. Report Slide 12 Bo Sun (Sanechips)
Mar 2024 doc.: IEEE 802.11-24/0479r1 CSD Comments From IEEE 802.3 WG Comments CC4 Comments: 1.2.1 Broad Market Potential: Readability suggestion: '... and thus maintenance free ...' to '... and thus maintenance-free ...' Resolution: Accepted and the AMP CSD document will be updated accordingly. Comments CC5 Comments: 1.2.1 Broad Market Potential: Readability suggestion: '... a CAGR of 11.9% from 2022 to 2030 Error! Reference source not found.', need to add missing reference. Resolution: Accepted and the AMP CSD document will add the missing reference. Report Slide 13 Bo Sun (Sanechips)
Mar 2024 doc.: IEEE 802.11-24/0479r1 CSD Comments From IEEE 802.3 WG Comments CC6 Comments: 1.2.1 Broad Market Potential: Readability suggestion: '... invested more than 150-billion-yuan ....' to '... invested more than 150 billion yuan ...'. Resolution: Accepted and the AMP CSD document will be updated accordingly. Comments CC7 Comments: 1.2.1 Broad Market Potential: Readability suggestion: '... adding to the expected growth of number of devices ...' to '... adding to the expected growth of the number of devices ...'. Resolution: Accepted and the AMP CSD document will be updated accordingly. Report Slide 14 Bo Sun (Sanechips)
Mar 2024 doc.: IEEE 802.11-24/0479r1 CSD Comments From IEEE 802.3 WG Comments CC8 Comments: 1.2.3: Distinct Identity: Typo: or evern lower to or even lower . Resolution: Accepted and the AMP CSD document will be updated accordingly. Comments CC9 Comments: 1.2.5 Economic Feasibility: Item c: one location. Consistency issue this amendment. change to this proposed amendment Resolution: Accepted and the AMP CSD document will be updated accordingly. Report Slide 15 Bo Sun (Sanechips)
Mar 2024 doc.: IEEE 802.11-24/0479r1 CSD Comments From IEEE 802.3 WG Comments CC10 Comments: 1.2.5 Economic Feasibility: Item d: three locations. Consistency issue this amendment. change to this proposed amendment Resolution: Accepted and the AMP CSD document will be updated accordingly. Report Slide 16 Bo Sun (Sanechips)
